Aug 19, 2026 Board of Adjustment

[I. CHAIRMAN’S OPENING STATEMENT, FLAG SALUTE, ROLL CALL]

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SCHEDULED PUBLIC WORK SESSION MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAD BEEN PROVIDED BY PUBLICATIONS IN THE RIDGEWOOD NEWS, AND THE RECORD COPIES OF THE AGENDA HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO THE TOWNSHIP CLERK AND POSTED ON THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING BULLETIN BOARD. THIS MEETING IS ALSO BEING RECORDED LIVE ON THE MAHWAH LIVE VIDEO PAGE. FLAG SALUTE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MICHELE. MR. COWAN, MR. KASPARIAN HERE, MR. KEARNEY, MR. LOCKWOOD HERE. MR. MOLFETTA, MR. SERNA HERE, MR. SITAR HERE.

MR. TAYLOR HERE. MR. CANOVA HERE. OKAY. THERE ARE NO BILLS TO PRESENT TONIGHT, SO WE WILL

[III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: August 5, 2026]

[IV. RESOLUTION FOR MEMORIALIZATION]

DOES ANYONE LIKE TO MOVE IT FOR APPROVAL AS IS WRITTEN? I'LL MOVE IT. OKAY, MR. SITAR, FIRST.

SECOND. MR. KASPARIAN ROLL CALL. OH, OKAY. SO MR. TAYLOR WAS HAD HIS HAND UP. ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. LOCKWOOD. YES. MR. SERNA. YES. MR. SITAR. YES. MR. TAYLOR. YES. OKAY. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

[VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. IT'S A LONG LOT OF LETTERS, BUT IT'S ALL GOOD. WANT TO GET IT RIGHT? YEAH. LET'S GET SITUATED. BEFORE PROCEED. I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS THIS EVENING. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'LL BE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER FOR TONIGHT.

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO A FULL BOARD IF YOU'RE READY TO PROCEED. THE BOARD WOULD BE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR APPLICATION. I. I SPOKE WITH MY CLIENT. WE WILL PROCEED. WE WILL NOT TAKE IT TO A VOTE TONIGHT. AND WE WILL, YOU KNOW, PUT ON TWO WITNESSES TO GET THE APPLICATION STARTED, AT LEAST SINCE WE'RE ALL HERE. THAT'S FAIR. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. BOARD. MY NAME IS ROBERT HAWKINSON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, HIGHWAYS DISPLAYS, INC. THIS APPLICATION CONCERNS PROPERTY OF ONE MOUNTAINSIDE AVENUE, BLOCK 128, LOTS EIGHT THROUGH 15 AND THE P40 HIGHWAY BUSINESS ZONE. WHAT HIGHWAY DISPLAY IS PROPOSES IS NOT A NEW BILLBOARD. IT IS NOT A SECOND BILLBOARD. IT IS AN EFFORT TO MOVE THE BILLBOARD ADVERTISING TO SOME. IT'S NOT MOVING THE BILLBOARD ADVERTISING TO THE NEW PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THIS APPLICATION IS SIMPLE. THERE'S ALREADY A BILLBOARD AT THIS LOCATION. BILLBOARD ADVERTISING HAS EXISTED AT THIS LOCATION SINCE APPROXIMATELY 1960, ROUGHLY 66 YEARS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE EXISTING OLDER STRUCTURE AND REPLACE IT WITH A MODERN STEEL STRUCTURE AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME LOCATION, WITH SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME OVERALL CONFIGURATION AND VISUAL APPEARANCE. IT WILL REMAIN A TWO FACED BILLBOARD DIRECTED PRINCIPALLY TOWARDS ROUTE 17. ONE FACE WILL REMAIN STATIC AS IT IS TODAY, WHILE THE SOUTH FACING FACE WILL

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YEAH. WE'RE GOOD. NOW, DOES THAT PERMIT IDENTIFY TWO ADVERTISING SPACE AT THIS LOCATION? YES, I BELIEVE SO. AND DOES THAT PERMIT DESCRIBE THE DISPLAY AS MULTI MESSAGING.

YES IT DOES. AND WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT MULTI MESSAGING MEANS. IT'S A DIGITAL DISPLAY THAT DISPLAYS MULTIPLE ADVERTISERS. SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT NJDOT HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND ISSUED A DIGITAL BILLBOARD PERMIT FOR THAT LOCATION. YES. AND WILL HIGHWAY DISPLAYS TO COMPARE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE APPLICABLE NJDOT REQUIREMENTS GOVERNING THIS DISPLAY? YES. AND NOW COULD YOU JUST RANDOMLY JUST GENERALLY DESCRIBE WHAT HIGHWAY DISPLAY PROPOSES TO DO WITH THE EXISTING BILLBOARD? YES. SO AS YOU STATED EARLIER, WE PLAN ON MODERNIZING THE STRUCTURE WHILE KEEPING THE THE SAME FOOTPRINT SUBSTANTIALLY, THE SAME ADVERTISING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ELEVATIONS. WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE, THE WOODEN STRUCTURE WITH WITH STEEL. AND AS FAR AS THE, THE TWO FACES, THE THE NORTH FACING BILLBOARD WOULD REMAIN STATIC AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. WHILE WE'RE PROPOSING TO MODERNIZE THE SOUTH FACING DISPLAY TO. INTO A MULTI MESSAGE DIGITAL DISPLAY. AND WHILE THE. WHILE YOU ARE KNOCKING THE THE STRUCTURE DOWN, IT IS THE COMPLETE INTENTION TO MAKE THIS BILLBOARD LOOK AS CLOSE AND IDENTICAL. ABSENT THE DIGITAL FACE TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING THERE. YES.

AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE TWO ADVERTISING FACES ORIENTED TOWARDS ROUTE 17. YES.

CORRECT. AND SO IT'S SAFE TO CONCLUDE THAT HIGHWAY DISPLAYS IS IN NO WAY PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL BILLBOARD OR BILLBOARD LOCATION ELSEWHERE IN THE PROPERTY. NO. THAT'S CORRECT. AND ONE ADVERTISING FACE WILL REMAIN STATIC AS IT DOES TODAY. CORRECT. WILL THE DIGITAL DISPLAY DISPLAY MOVING VIDEO, ANIMATION, SCROLLING OR FLASHING MESSAGES? NO, ONLY STATIC IMAGES. WILL THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE DIGITAL SPY BE CONTROLLED? YES. IS HIGHWAY DISPLAYS ALSO PROPOSING ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY TO LIMIT THE OFF ANGLE VISIBILITY OF THE DIGITAL FACE? YES, WE PLAN TO EMPLOY THE USE OF LOUVERS. ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD CONTROL THE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL DISPERSION OF LIGHT FROM THE BILLBOARD. I KNOW THE ENGINEER WILL TESTIFY MORE TO IT, BUT IS IT SO IT WILL KEEP WITHIN A 30 DEGREE OUTSIDE A 30 DEGREE ANGLE? YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE BILLBOARD. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? THAT'S ESSENTIALLY CORRECT, YES. AND IS THAT IS THIS 30 DEGREE RESTRICTION OR REQUIREMENT OF NJDOT? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WAS OUR CHOICE TO TRY TO BE BETTER NEIGHBORS. SO THE APPLICANT HAS DECIDED TO PUT THIS IN IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE ANY SORT OF LIGHT SPILL OVER TO ANY ADJOINING PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. NOW WITH THIS BILLBOARD, IS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING TO ALLOW THE BOROUGH OF MAHWAH TO UTILIZE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MESSAGING AND SERVICES? YES, DEFINITELY. THAT'S A A HUGE BENEFIT OF THE TECHNOLOGY.

COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE HOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD WORK IF THEY WERE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION? YEP. SO WITH THESE TYPES OF DISPLAYS, USUALLY THERE WOULD BE EIGHT

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BUT THE BILLBOARDS THERE. RIGHT. WE TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. THERE WAS ANOTHER APPLICATION HERE FOR AN ADJACENT LOT WOULD SHIPPING COMPANY OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, OR A KILN DRIED COMPANY. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. THE BILLBOARDS THERE, IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO BE IN USE. IT'S KIND OF IN DISREPAIR, BUT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

SO THERE'S A BILLBOARD ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S NOT A USE THAT WE ALLOW IN THIS ZONE OR IN ANY ZONE REALLY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, DID YOU TESTIFY THAT THE BILLBOARD IS NOT IN USE OR IS IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS IN DISREPAIR? THAT WAS MY OPINION ON IT. SO BUT DO WE HAVE ANY COLOR ON THAT, ON THE HISTORY, ON HOW IT GOT THERE AND THEN IT BEING PREEXISTING, I BELIEVE, PREDATES THE ZONING? YEAH. OKAY. AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE IT FROM HE TESTIFIED HIS RECORDS INDICATE THAT THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING THIS BILLBOARD CONSISTENTLY SINCE 1960.

THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLATIONS ISSUED THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE YEAH. WELL, GIVE US INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. WELL, I CANNOT GIVE YOU INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THE ORDINANCE WAS IN 1960. WHATEVER. OKAY. I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT DATE UNTIL TONIGHT MYSELF. WHAT I WILL SAY, THOUGH, IS THAT WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE APPLICATION FOR THE LOG SITE, I RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE BILLBOARD WAS A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE BECAUSE. THAT WOULD HAVE AFFECTED THE VARIANCE, THE USE VARIANCE ON THAT ON THE LOG SITE, RIGHT? HAVING NOW NOW, HOWEVER, THIS APPLICANT, SOME OF THE TESTIMONY WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE BILLBOARD AND PUTTING UP A NEW BILLBOARD. SO EVEN IF THEY HAD EVIDENCE TO SHOW THIS BOARD THAT IT WAS IN FACT, A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT PROBABLY THE BILLBOARD WENT UP BEFORE THE ZONING PROHIBITED. IT IS MOOT BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING IT DOWN, RIGHT? SO THEY WILL NOT ENJOY THE BENEFIT OF THE PREEXISTING GRANDFATHERING OF THE BILLBOARD IF THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO FIX IT UP, THEN THAT WOULD BENEFIT THEM. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE EXISTING BILLBOARD AND PUTTING UP A NEW BILLBOARD, THE I MEAN, THIS BOARD IS WELCOME TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE ORIGINAL BILLBOARD. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE VARIANCES THAT THEY NEED BECAUSE IT'S COMING DOWN.

I MEAN, WE CAN CLARIFY THE TESTIMONY BECAUSE I IS IT ONE SIDE'S COMING DOWN AND THERE'S GOING TO BE STEEL ON THE OTHER SIDE'S JUST NO THE WHOLE RIGHT NOW IT'S YOU COULD IT'S LIKE A WEIRD WOOD OLD STRUCTURE. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE POLE WITH TWO FACES. BUT WE WILL HAVE THE ENGINEER TESTIFY MORE TO THAT. BUT YEAH. YEAH. SO YOUR COMMENTS THEN REMAIN AS STATED BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ACCURATE. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING. LIKE, I'M, THAT'S WHERE MY CURIOSITY LIES IN THAT WE. AND THERE'S ONLY A USE

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YEAH. SO THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF VARIANCES. YEAH. LET ME REFRESH MY ON THIS. BUT AS WE TAKE IT DOWN. YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S I KNOW WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN YOUR ENGINEER YET. SO THERE'S A FRONT AND REAR YARD SETBACKS. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF SUBSUMED INTO THE BILLBOARD THING. BUT YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND IS THE ENGINEER GOING TO TESTIFY TO SIZING BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME SIZE OR THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GET SPECIFICATIONS ON THE ACTUAL. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BOARD MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARTMAN. YEAH, YEAH. QUESTION. THANKS FOR THE TESTIMONY. HOW IS THE THE DIGITAL SIDE CONTROLLED? IS THAT REMOTE FROM YOU IN YOUR LOCATION, OR DOES THAT HAVE TO GET HOOKED UP TO THE POLE ITSELF? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YEP. SO IT IS CONTROLLED REMOTELY BY US. WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE ADS AND AND DO THAT SORT OF STUFF REMOTELY. WE ARE ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE ABLE TO, IF THERE ARE ANY SELF-DIAGNOSED MALFUNCTIONS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, WE ARE ABLE TO SHUT IT DOWN REMOTELY AS WELL. AND THE MANUFACTURER ALSO HAS THAT CAPABILITY ADDITIONALLY.

OKAY, AWESOME. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE LOUVERS TO CONTROL, I GUESS, THE LUMENS CANDLE, WHAT'S WHATEVER THAT COME OUT OF THAT? ARE THEY GOING TO BE ADJUSTED BASED ON LIGHT COMING IN OR LIKE, ARE THEY GOING TO BE AUTOMATED OR SOMEBODY HAVE TO MANUALLY SET LIKE A TIMER? HOW DOES THAT WORK? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE, THE BRIGHTNESS? THE BRIGHTNESS? YEP. SO THE BRIGHTNESS IS AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED.

THERE'S A PHYSICAL PHOTOCELL DEVICE THAT WOULD BE ON THE BILLBOARD THAT WOULD TRACK THE AMBIENT LIGHT TO LIMIT IT TO, I BELIEVE IT'S 0.3FT CANDLES ABOVE AMBIENT. SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE LIGHT CHANGES, THE BILLBOARD WOULD CHANGE AS WELL. AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS A BACKUP SYSTEM IN CASE THAT WERE TO FAIL SOMEHOW. THERE IS A SOFTWARE SOFTWARE PHOTOCELL THAT WOULD, BASED ON THE COORDINATES, WOULD ADJUST THE THE BRIGHTNESS. BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE PHOTOCELL WERE TO HAVE ANY MALFUNCTIONS, THERE'S A SELF-DIAGNOSTIC DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM AND WE WOULD RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION IMMEDIATELY AS, AS WELL AS THE MANUFACTURER. AND AGAIN, IF, IF YOU KNOW, THE BEST BEST COURSE IS TO JUST SHUT IT DOWN, WELL, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. WE CAN DO THAT IMMEDIATELY, REMOTELY. OKAY. BUT IDEALLY IT'S JUST GOING TO ADJUST BASED ON THE AMBIENT LIGHT, CORRECT TIME OF DAY LIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? MR. KASPARIAN, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT TYPE OF QUESTIONING. IS THE BRIGHTNESS OF THESE SIGNS AT GROUND LEVEL THE SAME BRIGHTNESS AS YOU SEE AS THE TALL ONES ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAYS? THAT COULD BE 60, 80FT IN THE AIR. YEAH. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S, IT'S CAPPED AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, LIKE 0.3FT CANDLES ABOVE WHATEVER THE AMBIENT LIGHT IS, WHICH I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD CHANGE AT GRADE LEVEL WITH ONCOMING TRAFFIC. THE THE INTENSITY OF THESE LEDS WILL NOT BE IMPAIRING TO THE DRIVING. NO, SIR. NO. ARE THERE STUDIES INDICATING THIS OR DATA? YEAH, I, I WOULD DEFER TO THE ENGINEER, BUT. YES. OKAY. ALSO THE, THE NEW SIGN YOU'RE PROPOSING THE DIGITAL IS SIX SIX IF ROUGH NUMBERS SIX FOOT 6.5FT TALLER THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. IS THAT CORRECT? BASED ON NUMBERS YOU'VE GIVEN FROM TOPO HERE. LET'S WAIT FOR THE ENGINEER. ENGINEER? I'LL SITE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN JUST YOU MENTIONED THE THE USAGE FOR THE TOWNSHIP. IS THAT FOR THE LIFETIME OF THE SIGN? WELL, YEAH. YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. IS THAT A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TOWN AND THE SIGNAGE? COME ON YOU GUYS. YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AS I SAID, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN OPERATING HERE FOR 66 YEARS AND HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT DUE TO THE, THE STATIC NATURE OF THE BILLBOARDS. BUT THE CHANGE IN TECHNOLOGY WOULD ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, TO WORK WITH THE TOWN IN THAT WAY, WHICH I'M EXCITED ABOUT.

DIGITAL BILLBOARD THAT'S ELEVATED ABOVE 17 ON THE ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE AROUND THE HOME DEPOT AREA. IS THAT ALSO YOUR PRODUCT? NO, I BELIEVE THAT'S OWNED BY INTERSTATE OUTDOOR.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. DID YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A LEASE? IS THAT I DID SO, AND THE ANSWER IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEASE WITH THE BOROUGH. I THOUGHT IT WAS WELL, SO I, I THINK THERE WOULD JUST BE SOME SORT OF BASIC AGREEMENT REACHED TO JUST ISSUE OF VERSUS

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IT'S KIND OF GIVING A GENERAL DESCRIPTION VERSUS A STREET ADDRESS. OKAY, COULD YOU READ JUST READ IT OUT LOUD FOR ALL OF US. IT SAYS ROUTE 17, WS8 TENTHS MISONY. SO MY TAKE WOULD BE ROUTE 17, WEST SIDE, 8/10 OF A MILE SOUTH OF NEW YORK. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. I THINK MR. CONTI WAS SAYING IS THERE A CONTINUITY OF PERMITS? SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING IF YOU COULD TESTIFY THAT YOU HAVE PERMITS FOR EVERY YEAR IN CONTINUITY. YES WE CAN. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PROVIDE. OKAY. SO YOUR TESTIFY, YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT. YES, YES. IT'S CONTINUALLY OPERATING WITH PERMITS EVERY YEAR. YES. OKAY.

AND THEN JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, SO THE DIGITAL THE DIGITAL BOARD IS FACING SOUTH. SO PEOPLE THAT WOULD SEE IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE TRAVELING NORTH. CORRECT. SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE DOT YOU SAID YOU HAD A PERMIT FROM THE DOT. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. WE'VE WE'VE HAD WE HAVE SUBMITTED IT. IT'S PART OF THE. OKAY. AND SO WHEN THEY GAVE YOU A PERMIT FOR THIS LED BOARD, LIKE WHAT KIND OF TESTING OR, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURES THAT THEY GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S OKAY. CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH THAT? SO MY LIMITED, MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PROCESS IS THAT THEY PERFORM A SITE VISIT AND TAKE WHATEVER MEASUREMENTS THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CONFORMS TO THEIR STANDARDS. I, I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME WHAT THOSE EXACT REGULATIONS WOULD BE OKAY. BUT THE, THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE LED TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS VERY SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER LED BOARD THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE APPROXIMATE AREA, WHICH WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IS CORRECT.

YES, I BELIEVE THE DOT DOES HAVE STANDARDS FOR THE BRIGHTNESS THAT YOU MUST COMPLY WITH, REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAD ITS OWN. IT'S THERE ARE CERTAIN AND I KNOW FROM OTHER APPLICATIONS, THEY LOOK AT HOW CLOSE OTHER SIGNS ARE TO THIS SIGN. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT DIGITAL SIGNS OR EVEN ANY BILLBOARDS WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF EACH OTHER. IT'S GOT TO, IF THERE'S ONE THERE, YOU CAN'T PUT ONE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 50FT AWAY. THEY DON'T ALLOW. RIGHT.

OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN AND YOU AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER FOR THE ENGINEER. SO I'LL HOLD THIS. OKAY. I'M GOOD. THE QUESTION THEY SAY YOU CHANGE THE ANGLE OF THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD, IS THAT GOING TO HAVE ANY EFFECT? LIKEWISE WITH THE RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THAT BECAUSE OF THE THE RESIDENTS BEHIND THE PROPERTY. WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE TO ROTATE THE FACE NINE AND A HALF DEGREES TOWARD THE HIGHWAY, AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE, SUCH THAT WITH THE HELP OF THE LOUVERS, THERE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE NO NO INTERFERENCE WITH THE RESIDENCES BEHIND. OKAY. THE LOUVERS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE ENGINEER WILL GET? WILL DEFINITELY GET MUCH MORE INTO THIS. YEAH. MR. SITAR, IS THERE ANY NOISE THE RESIDENTS WOULD HEAR FROM THE SIGN LIKE A CLICKING WHEN IT CHANGES THERE. THERE'S NO CLICKING. WHEN IT CHANGES, THE. THE SIGN DOESN'T OUTPUT ANY AUDIO. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE. THE ONLY SOUND THAT'S POTENTIALLY

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JUST AS IT WAS FOR THE LAST 50 SOME ODD YEARS. THAT WILL BE FOR THE NEXT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

IT CLEARLY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD IF THEY CHOSE TO PUT AN ANTENNA OR ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE. OKAY. YEP. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? GOOD. OKAY. EXPERTS. MR. KELLY, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY LOCAL LOCATIONS, ESPECIALLY LOCAL LOCATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE LIKE A GROUND MOUNTED TYPE SIGN SUCH AS THIS? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY AREA LOCATIONS THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS AROUND HERE? NO, WE WE OPERATE THREE STRUCTURES IN NEW JERSEY, ALL IN MAHWAH. AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALL WOODEN STRUCTURES LIKE THIS. OKAY. WHAT ARE THE OTHER THREE STRUCTURES? THERE ARE TWO OTHER ONES. THERE'S THIS ONE. THERE'S ONE JUST JUST SOUTH BY THE IS IT THE RAMAPO RIVER? AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY WE HAVE ON ON TELEPHONE POLES JUST BEFORE THERE'S AN OUTFRONT MEDIA BILLBOARD AS WELL ON THAT SIDE. OKAY. AND WE'LL ASK THE ENGINEER ABOUT THE HEIGHT WITH RESPECT TO THE LIGHT LEVELS. I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS APPLICATION, THAT WE HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO FOR LIGHTING, THAT WE RESERVE THE RIGHT FOR UP TO ONE YEAR AFTER IT'S BEEN INSTALLED TO REQUEST THE APPLICANT TO ADJUST THE LIGHT LEVELS AND OR THE LOUVERS OF THE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THEN JUST FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION, MY WAS ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. ZONING ORDINANCE WAS CREATED IN 1946. SO IT WAS BEFORE THIS APPLICATION, BEFORE THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED AS A BILLBOARD. BUT THERE'S NO RECORD OF THE APPROVAL FOR THIS BILLBOARD. JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I THINK MISS RUSSELL ADDRESSED THE ZONING. HURDLES WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. MISS RUSSELL, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE SOME FOR THE ENGINEER, BUT NONE RIGHT NOW. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HARTMAN. WITH THAT, YOUR NEXT WITNESS, WE'LL CALL MR. MATT CLARK. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD. YES. ROBERT, YOU'RE NOT USING THE ELECTRONICS. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY? I DO, I HAVE A FLASH DRIVE TO SHOW. DID HE HAVE A LAPTOP? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A LAPTOP OR. WE'RE. WHEN WE COME BACK, I'LL PLAY THE VIDEO. IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE MORE INFORMATIVE THAN. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IN THIS MATTER BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES I DO. STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, PLEASE. MATTHEW CLARK, CLARK. THANK YOU, MR. CLARK. MR. CLARK, COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND? I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE AND A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM NJIT. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, HAVE BEEN SINCE 1997, QUALIFIED SINCE THAT TIME, FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AS AN EXPERT IN CIVIL ENGINEERING, INCLUDING PREVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. AND IS YOUR LICENSE IN GOOD STANDING HERE TONIGHT? YES, IT IS ALL FROM MR. CLARK. IS THAT THE BOARD RECOGNIZES HIM AS. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. CLARK, WERE YOU RETAINED BY HIGHWAYS DISPLAYS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION? COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE YOUR SCOPE OF WORK ON THIS PROJECT? WE WERE RETAINED TO PROVIDE A SIMPLE SET OF CIVIL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS WHICH WAS SUBMITTED. CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE BEHIND YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO THIS ONE BACK HERE? YEAH. PLEASE. JUST FOR THE RECORDING, I JUST WENT INTO THE LIGHT TURNS ON. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HOLD IT. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, GOOD. PERFECT. OKAY. SO YEAH, WE WERE RETAINED TO PROVIDE LIMITED CIVIL ENGINEERING SERVICES. THERE'S REALLY THERE'S NO SITE GRADING AND DRAINAGE THINGS THAT WE TRADITIONALLY DO. BUT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SITE PLAN.

SO WE REPRESENTED THE LOCATIONS OF THE BILLBOARD, THE ROTATION OF THE ONE BILLBOARD THAT WAS SOUTH FACING. AND THAT WAS REALLY THE EXTENT WE DID PROVIDE A TITLE SHEET, WHICH I GUESS WILL REPRESENT WHEN WE GET TO THAT, TO THE PLANS, SOME BASIC ZONING MAPPING, AND ALSO

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THAT'S CORRECT. AND WHICH LOT IS THE THIS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED ON LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON EIGHT NINE. NOW. DO YOU KNOW HOW THE THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ACCESSED? WELL, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS OFF MOUNTAINSIDE ROAD AND AS FAR AS THE BILLBOARDS ARE CONCERNED, FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT VEHICLES ARE ABLE TO PARK IN THE GRASS MEDIAN OFF OF ROUTE 17. SO THE ACCESS TO THOSE BILLBOARDS IS NOT OFF OF MOUNTAINSIDE ROAD, AND THE FACES ARE ORIENTED PRINCIPALLY TOWARD TRAFFIC TRAVELING ON ROUTE 17. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, DID YOU PREPARE REVISED PLANS ENTITLED PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN, MOST RECENTLY REVISED JULY 27TH, 2026. YES, I DID, AND THESE PLANS WERE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED TO THE BOARD. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. NOW, COULD YOU, YOU KNOW, WALK THEM THE BOARD THROUGH THE PLANS AND GENERALLY DESCRIBE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED? SURE. SO THIS IS THE PLAN SET THAT OUR OFFICE PREPARED. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S TWO SHEETS BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S REALLY NO CIVIL ENGINEERING PER SE.

THIS TITLE SHEET REPRESENTS SOME BASIC MAPPING THAT'S REQUIRED AS PART OF YOUR LAND USE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE AN AERIAL MAP, A STREET MAP, A TAX MAP AND A ZONING MAP. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ON THIS PLAN, WHERE I'M POINTING HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IS A LISTING OF THE VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION BASED ON OUR TEAM'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORDINANCES.

THE SECOND SHEET. WITH ME, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN SHEET. IT'S BASICALLY AN IMAGE OF THE SURVEY. BUT WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE TWO THE TWO BILLBOARDS HERE. AND AS TESTIFIED TO EARLIER, THE SOUTH FACING BILLBOARD IS ROTATED APPROXIMATELY NINE AND A HALF DEGREES FROM ITS EXISTING ANGLE. AND THAT WAS DONE TO TRY TO PREVENT AND BE BETTER NEIGHBORS TO THE FEW RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE SIDE OF MOUNTAINSIDE. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S REALLY THERE IS NO CIVIL ENGINEERING WORK TO BE DONE. AND I KNOW THERE WAS TESTIMONY. QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SIZE OF THE BILLBOARD. COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED VERSUS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE? I THINK THE THE EASIEST THING TO DO THERE, AND I, I BELIEVE THESE WERE SUBMITTED, THESE ARE THE BILLBOARD SIGN PLANS, ONE FOR EACH BILLBOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THOSE. I ASSUME THOSE WERE SUBMITTED. I BELIEVE THEY WERE. YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD HAS THOSE. THESE WERE NOT PREPARED BY OUR OFFICE. OKAY. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT. THEN LET'S MARKET RIGHT NOW I THINK LET ME JUST MAKE SURE. YEAH. YOU HAVE THEM. I RECOGNIZE THE FIRST ONE. I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT. 689254.

THERE'S TWO SHEETS. OKAY. YEAH. THE REASON THERE'S TWO SHEETS IS BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO INDEPENDENT BILLBOARDS AT THAT AT THAT SITE. EACH WILL HAVE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT FOUNDATION. THE FIRST PLAN THAT I'M LOOKING AT, IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT'S 68-9254. AND THIS IS THE NORTH FACING BILLBOARD. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE STATIC

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BILLBOARD IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF ITS OF ITS FOOTING. RIGHT NOW. IT'S A DILAPIDATED WOOD FRAME. IT'S GOING TO BE A STEEL FRAME, STATIC FACE AND LED UP LIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE THE THE UP LIGHTS HERE ON THE CROSS SECTION. OKAY. SO IT'S IDENTICAL IN ALL ASPECTS IN THAT REGARD. BUT COULD YOU JUST DO, CAN YOU GIVE THEM THE NUMBERS OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THE EXACT DIMENSIONS. SURE. WELL THERE'S THIS SIGN IS 14FT EVEN BY 44 FOOT EVEN.

THAT'S THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGN, THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN TO THE TOP OF, OF, OF IT IS 19 FOOT. I THINK IT SAYS FOUR AND THREE 13/16 INCH. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A HAIR OVER A LITTLE BIT OVER 19FT IN ITS ENTIRETY HEIGHT. AND WHICH BILLBOARD IS THIS? THE NORTH FACING BILLBOARD. THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE ALSO NOTED ON OUR SITE PLAN SET. THE NEXT SIGN PLAN IS 68-9253.

THIS IS THE SOUTH FACING BILLBOARD. ITS FOUNDATION AND SUPPORT IS GOING TO BE REPLACED AGAIN WITH MORE OF THE TUBULAR TYPE OF STRUCTURES THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE, THAT ARE MORE COMMON WITH THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION. THE FACE PLATE IS IDENTICAL TO THE FACE PLATE THAT'S THERE TODAY. THE LOCATION IS IDENTICAL. THIS FACE IS 14FT HIGH BY, I THINK IT'S 48. YEAH, 48 FOOT EVEN SO, THAT FACE PLATE 14 BY 48 AND ITS HEIGHT ABOVE GRADE IS 24 FOOT NINE AND 5/8 OF AN INCH. ALL OF THOSE DIMENSIONS MEET IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THIS BILLBOARD IS THAT IT'S STATIC TODAY. IT'S GOING TO BE DIGITAL, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE. AND AGAIN, WE ROTATE IT. IT'S ON ITS AXIS A LITTLE MORE THAN NINE DEGREES.

AND THAT WAS DONE TO HELP REINFORCE ANY POTENTIAL CONCERNS THAT OUR NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE REGARDING LIGHTING. THAT'S IT. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE CROSS SECTION HERE AS WELL. FOR, FOR, FOR THIS, THIS BILLBOARD. NOW, COULD YOU TAKE THE BOARD THROUGH, I GUESS, WHAT THE PROPOSED SETBACKS ARE HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE SEEKING SOME. RIGHT. LET ME JUST. SO THE SO THE NORTH FACING BILLBOARD WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME SETBACKS THAT THERE ARE TODAY OFF OF ROUTE 17 FOR THE NORTH 7.7FT AND TO OUR OUR PROPERTY, I'LL SAY TO THE SOUTH, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS ARE 17.0FT. THOSE ARE THE SETBACKS FOR THE NORTH FACING SIGN FOR THE SOUTH FACING SIGN. THE PROPOSED SETBACKS OFF OF ROUTE 17, 7.4FT AND OFF OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH 10.6. AND THAT'S THE SETBACK. WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IS DECLARED, I BELIEVE IT'S 75FT IS REQUIRED, I BELIEVE, FOR THE FRONT YARD. AND WE'RE AT THAT 7.4FT WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND IF YOU SQUINT IN AND SEE, YOU'LL SEE THE ANGLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TOMORROW AND APPROXIMATELY AT THAT. HOW WIDE IS THE PROPERTY, WHERE THE BILLBOARD IS? COULD IT POSSIBLY MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS? NO, IT COULD NOT. NOW. NOW, DOES THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION IN ANY WAY MOVE THE BILLBOARD CLOSER TO ANY ADJOINING PROPERTY? NO, IT DOES NOT. IS ANY SIDEWALK PROPOSED WITH THIS BILLBOARD? NO. BUT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A WAIVER, RIGHT? IT'S TECHNICALLY.

THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, WILL THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION REQUIRE ANY MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE EXISTING GRADING OF THE SITE? NONE. WILL THERE BE ANY CHANGES TO THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST? NONE. WILL THE RECONSTRUCTION CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT? NO. NO IMPACTS. WILL THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION REQUIRE ANY MATERIAL NEW UTILITY CONNECTIONS? NO. IS THERE CURRENTLY A. ARE THE SIGNS CURRENTLY ILLUMINATED? YES, THEY'RE UP LIT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE ALL UP

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SO IT HELPS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT ARE OFFSET FROM, FROM THE SIGN ITSELF, NOT TO BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THE ILLUMINATION. AND AGAIN, THE VIDEO WILL SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDS. WHEN YOU SEE HOW THAT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN ADDITION TO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS MANDATED BY THE DOT, BUT THE OWNER WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. AND THE LIGHTING STUDY GIVES A VERY GOOD SUMMARY.

THERE IS A ILLUSTRATION, I'M ASSUMING THIS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD. I'M LOOKING AT THAT STUDY RIGHT NOW ON PAGE FOUR. IF EVERYBODY HAS THAT, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A GRAPHIC ON HERE.

THERE'S AN AERIAL IMAGE. IT SHOWS THE LOCATION, THE BILLBOARD, THE ANGLE. THEY ACTUALLY ASKED FOR A CAD FILE. SO THEY SUPERIMPOSED THE LOCATION. AND YOU CAN SEE THE SCHEMATIC OF THE ANGLES, THE 30 DEGREE ANGLE AND THE FOOT CANDLES AT THOSE AT THOSE LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, 0.17, 0.02, 0.68, VERY, VERY LOW ALUMINUM LEVELS. OKAY. AND IF YOU READ THE CONCLUSION, WHICH IF YOU NEED ME TO READ INTO THE RECORD, I COULD. BUT THAT CONCLUSION REALLY GIVES A GOOD SUMMARY OF THE SENSITIVITY THAT THESE BILLBOARDS HAVE REGARDING LIGHTING, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THROUGH OTHER APPLICATIONS, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A MAJOR CONCERN THAT THAT IS MAINTAINED AND DOES NOT NOT ONLY CAUSE A DETRIMENT TO THE TO THE DRIVERS, BUT ALSO IS CONSCIOUS TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO THOSE TO THOSE ITEMS. AND IT IS ALSO YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE PROPOSED DIGITAL DISPLAY CAN BE CONTROLLED AND ADJUSTED BASED UPON AMBIENT LIGHTING CONDITIONS. THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CONCLUSION THERE. IT'S TRUE. SO YOU'VE GOT ONE THING WITH THE ANGLES TO HELP PHYSICALLY NOT SEE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ILLUMINATION. BUT ALSO YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ADJUSTS THE LEVEL BASED ON THE AMBIENT LIGHT, AS EVAN TESTIFIED TO EARLIER, AND THE IDEA OF THE LOUVERS, AS WE'RE CALLING THEM, IS TO DIRECT THE IMAGE STRICTLY TO THE ROADWAY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN DOES THE LIGHT STUDY SHOW WHAT. WHAT KIND OF FOOT CANDLES DOES THE LIGHT STUDY SHOW OR ANTICIPATED? AS I MENTIONED IN THE GRAPHIC, YOU CAN SEE JUST OFF 100FT, 0.68, 0.02, DEPENDING ON WHICH ANGLE YOU'RE AT. THERE'S ALSO A TABULAR FORM. NOTHING GETS NEAR THE ONE FOOT CANDLE AT THE PROPERTY LINE PER YOUR ORDINANCE, SO IT FULLY COMPLIES. SO CONSIDERING THE ORIENTATION OF THE BILLBOARD TOWARDS ROUTE 17, THE BRIGHTNESS CONTROLS AND THE PROPOSED VIEWING ANGLE MITIGATION, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES? I DO NOT EXCUSE ME. THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE TO A LOOK BACK PERIOD AT THE LIGHTING IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED. THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, WILL THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION RESULT IN ANY MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE EXISTING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY? NONE. WILL OPERATION OF THE RECONSTRUCTED BILLBOARD GENERATE ANY MATERIAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC TO OR FROM THE SITE? NO. IN FACT IT WOULD. THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD DOESN'T ACTUALLY NEED SOMEBODY TO GO TO THE SITE TO CHANGE THE IMAGE.

THAT'S CORRECT. EVERYTHING'S DONE REMOTELY, AS EVAN STATED, TESTIFIED TO. DO YOU DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT PROMOTES ANY TRAFFIC OR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, IF APPROVED? NO.

I THINK, THOUGH, THE BENEFIT OF THE THE ABILITY FOR THE MUNICIPALITY TO USE IT FOR

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PERMISSION TO DO THAT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. YEP. AND WE WOULD PLANT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LOVE TO PUT 3 OR 4 FOOT ONES. WE'VE LOOKED TO PUT SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE, YOU KNOW, DAY ONE.

AND WE WORKED THAT OUT WITH YOUR BOARD PROFESSIONALS. OKAY. AND WE COULD COORDINATE WITH THE OWNER BECAUSE I KNOW I'M TOLD IT'S, IT IS A SOMETHING THAT MAY BE BEFORE THIS BOARD SHORTLY. OKAY. YEAH. COOL. THANK YOU. YEAH. NOW, OTHER THAN THE LIMITED TREE REMOVAL,

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AND THAT TREE THAT YOU ARE THAT YOU IDENTIFIED TO BE REMOVED IS NOT AN EVERGREEN TREE, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE YOU GO. YOU'RE BACK ON ME. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT AN EVERGREEN.

NOW, DOES THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION REPLACE THE EXISTING OLDER BILLBOARD STRUCTURE WITH A MODERN, MODERNIZED, ENGINEERED STRUCTURE AS REFLECTED ON THE PLANS YOU REVIEWED? YES. AND WOULD THAT STRUCTURE BE A SAFER STRUCTURE IN THE EVENT THERE WAS INCLEMENT WEATHER OR SOMETHING IN THE AREA? THE FOUNDATION DEFINITELY IS AN UPGRADE OVER THE WOODEN STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE TODAY FOR BOTH BILLBOARDS. NOW, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, DOES THE PROJECT REPRESENT A MODERNIZATION OF THE EXISTING BILLBOARD FACILITY? YES. AND DOES THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION CREATE ANY MATERIAL ADVERSE ENGINEERING IMPACTS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES AND SURROUNDING AREA? NO. DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY MATERIAL ADVERSE ENGINEERING IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION? I DO NOT. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, ARE THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS APPROPRIATE FROM A SITE ENGINEERING STANDPOINT? YES. NOW, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF THE PLANNED SITE CONDITIONS, LIGHTING MATERIALS AND TESTIMONY YOU PROVIDED, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE ENGINEERING IMPACT FROM THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION? I DO NOT. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IS THE SUBJECT SITE SUITABLE FROM A CIVIL AND SITE ENGINEERING STANDPOINT FOR THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION AND MODERNIZATION OF THE EXISTING BILLBOARD? YES I DO. DO THE PROPOSED ORIENTATION, LIGHTING CONTROLS AND VIEWING ANGLE MITIGATION ADEQUATELY ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I BELIEVE. YES. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BOARD MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS START ON THIS SIDE.

YES. SO I THINK THE APPLICATION OR THE PERMIT YOU SHOWED US EARLIER WAS 800FT■!S, AND THEN WE'RE OVER 1200FT■!S HERE. I THINK YOUR PERMIT IS FOR 13 SOMETHING. I'M JUST I'D LIKE TO KNOW, HOW DID WE GET FROM 800 TO 1300? THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE SIZE OF THE BILLBOARD THAT'S THERE TODAY IS BEING MATCHED WITH WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE. AS FAR AS THE PERMIT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO REVIEW WITH THE TEAM. YEAH, I, I GUESS I'LL RESERVE IT FOR LATER, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW DID WE GET FROM AN ORIGINAL PERMIT OF 800 TO OVER 1300? IS THERE. SO YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT THESE BILLBOARDS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. DO WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING BILLBOARD SIZES IN OUR PACKET? THE SURVEY TWO DIMENSIONALLY REPRESENTS THE LOCATION AND SIZE, BUT THERE'S NO PHOTO OR PLAN OF OF THE EXISTING THAT I KNOW OF. EVAN, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTS THE EXISTING. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. WE'RE COMING BACK. YEAH. WELL, OKAY. YEAH. SO THESE DIMENSIONS, THIS 44 BY 14 AND 48 BY 14. YES. YEAH. I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THAT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S THERE TODAY. YES. OKAY. I'M GOOD FOR NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. LOCKWOOD. COMING DOWN THIS WAY. NO. YOU SAID IN THE WATCH FIRE REPORT THERE WAS A PICTURE. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE. I HAVE A CHART. ARE YOU ON PAGE FOUR? ON PAGE THREE, WE HAVE THREE AND FOUR. WE GO 3 TO 5 HERE. YEAH. THERE'S NO FOUR. NO TWO EITHER. ONE THREE, FIVE. WE'LL WE'LL DEFINITELY RESUBMIT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD CAN SEE THIS IS THE THE BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT'S PAGE FOUR. SAYS FOUR. YEAH. COUNCIL YOU'LL SUBMIT THE FULL REPORT TO THE BOARD. YEAH WE WILL CERTAINLY I'LL SUBMIT IT EITHER WAY. WHETHER IT YOU KNOW WAS OR WASN'T. IF YOU HAVE. AND THAT THAT'S THE THE LIGHTING REPORT.

AND MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE ASKED MR. HARTMAN THIS QUESTION. SO THE NORTHBOUND BILLBOARD TODAY, WHO'S ADVERTISING ON IT. DO WE KNOW CURRENTLY YOU'RE SAYING NORTHBOUND COMING DOWN FROM THE NORTH. IT'S SUBARU. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. YES. YOU GOOD? YEP, YEP. CAN I KEEP GOING ON, MR. KASPARIAN? YES. QUESTIONS. THANKS. CAN YOU PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE FOOT CANDLES ON YOUR REPORT HERE? PAGE THREE SAYS LOCATION ONE MOUNTAINSIDE AVENUE.

THERE'S FOOT CANDLES UNDER UNDER NIGHT NORMAL OPERATION WITH LIGHT BLOCKING LOUVERS. SO AT 300FT WITH ZERO DEGREE, I'M ASSUMING ZERO DEGREE IS LOOKING DEAD ON PERPENDICULAR RIGHT

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RIGHT? SO THE CONCERN IS WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO TO THE DRIVERS. AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT SOMEONE IF THEY'RE DRIVING SOUTHBOUND AND THEY HAPPEN TO TURN TO GO, OH DID I MISS THE TURN. AND AND THAT SIGN IS 50, 60FT FROM THEM. THE BRIGHTNESS INTENSITY. I KNOW WE'RE DRIVING AWAY FROM IT IN THEORY, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ANY DRIVER FROM EVER TURNING AROUND TO LOOK AT IT, THAT THEY DON'T GET BLASTED WITH A HIGHER LEVEL OF LIGHT OUTPUT THAT CAN BE DISTRACTING TO THEM WHEN THEY TURN BACK AROUND, THAT THEY HAVE A DISTRACTION OF DRIVING, RIGHT. I ALSO THINK WHEN WE COME BACK, WE MENTIONED WE HAVE A COUPLE VIDEOS TO SHARE, AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU SEE IT IN REAL TIME, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS BETTER THAN I CAN DESCRIBE IT. ALL RIGHT. THEN, ALSO YOUR NEXT VISIT, WILL YOU HAVE ACTUAL COLOR PHOTOS OF THE SIGNAGE WITH THESE LOUVERS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THESE LOUVERS ARE LIKE? HOW, HOW, HOW FAR OFF THE FACE OF THE SIGN DOES THIS LOUVER COME OUT TO DEFLECT THE LIGHT? IT IT'S YOU DON'T IT'S IT JUST KEEPS IT WITHIN 30 DEGREES.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS IT ON THE BULB. IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE YOU PUT IT ON YOUR COMPUTER MONITOR AND YOU GO OUT FROM AN ANGLE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT. IT IT GEARS. IT'S LIKE A COMPUTER MONITOR, PRIVACY SCREEN. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE ON TRAFFIC LIGHTS NOW THAT YOU SEE IT WITH WITH. SO IT'S A FILM ON THE FACE.

IT'S A. SO OKAY, SO FOR THE CELL PHONE, YOU CAN'T SEE OVER. YOU JUST. IT'S EXACTLY THAT TECHNOLOGY. THE WORD LOUVER IS PROJECTING. PROBABLY NOT THE. RIGHT. YEAH, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S JUST A IT'S MORE LIKE A FEEL LIKE IT ANGLES LIGHT ONLY IN A 30. IT DIFFUSES IT IN THE.

OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY. I BELIEVE. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. CLARK. SO HAVE YOU TESTIFIED BEFORE, WHETHER IT'S PLANNING OR ZONING FOR DIGITAL LED BOARDS BEFORE ONE, PERHAPS ONE ONE IN PARAMUS. ONE THAT'S BY THE OLD TO YOUR COMMITTEE. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE. OKAY. GREAT. AND WAS THAT OF A SIMILAR HEIGHT TO THIS? DO YOU REMEMBER? IT WAS HIGHER. OKAY. AND THEN WATCHFIRE IS THAT THE MANUFACTURER OF THE LEDS, I BELIEVE. YES. YEAH. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, BASED OFF OF WHAT THE MANUFACTURER OF THE LED THAT'S TRYING TO SELL THE LED, THEIR LIGHT STUDY, DO YOU CONCUR? I CONCUR BASED ON THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED ON THE STUDY. BUT I'VE LOOKED AT THE RESULTS. AND IF THESE RESULTS ARE ACCURATE, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE ONE, IT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE. AS FAR AS THE MAXIMUM FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS OF CONCERN BASED ON MIKE'S LETTER. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE INTENSITY, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FOOT CANDLES ARE VERY LOW IN THAT REGARD TOWARDS THE CONCERN OF LOOKING BACK AND SEEING SOMETHING OVERWHELMING. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE IN PARKING LOTS TO THAT DEGREE.

YEAH, I THINK AGAIN, WHEN WE COME BACK AND WE SEE THE VIDEO, IT WILL REALLY PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE. AND IF DRIVEN AND SEEN THE BILLBOARDS THAT ARE AROUND ALL OVER NOW, THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, IT'S IDENTICAL TO THAT. YEAH. AND, AND I, AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T MEAN TO CALL INTO QUESTION YOUR CREDENTIALS. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. YEAH, YEAH. MY, MY, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS CALL INTO QUESTION THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SIGN GIVING ME THE LIGHT STUDY. FOR THE RECORD, I QUESTION THAT. BUT BUT AND THEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE HEIGHT BECAUSE ONE OF MY TWO CONCERNS ARE THIS ONE IS THIS, THIS LED BOARD IS FAIRLY LOW. AND I'M BASING THIS JUST OFF OF ME BEING A DRIVER. LIKE I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS FIELD, BUT IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE LED DIGITAL BOARDS. SO THERE'S A

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THE, THE, THE TWO MOST SOUTHERN LOTS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE. YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE HOMES BETTER ON, ON. YEAH. SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S THEIR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW. AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THIS MAY OR MAY NOT DO TO, TO THOSE FOLKS. AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S LOWER BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE AT YOU'RE AT 14FT, I THINK YOU SAID IS WHEN THE SIGN STARTS. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. IT WAS. OR DID IT END AT 19? IT WAS IF YOU COULD IF YOU COULD JUST DO THAT AGAIN FOR ME.

THANK YOU. SO IT'S TO THE TOP OF THE SIGN IS 24 FOOT AND CHANGE TO THE TOP AND IT'S 14 FOOT DOWN. SO YOU KNOW IT IS TEN. THEN THE TRADITIONAL SO TEN FEET. SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE HEIGHT OF THE CEILING RIGHT HERE ROUGHLY. AND SO IT'S IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY.

YES. BUT THAT ONE'S NOT FRONT LIT. IT'S UP LIT CORRECT. YEAH. SO. OKAY. AND I GUESS MR. KELLY QUESTION FOR YOU IS DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN A LIGHT STUDY? COULD WE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD COULD REQUEST FROM THE TOWN? AND OR DO YOU AND YOUR TEAM GO OUT AND DO THAT? LIKE, HOW WOULD WE. I HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHECK LIGHT LEVELS ONCE IT'S INSTALLED. I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN A LIGHT EVALUATION OF WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED. I REVIEWED THE LIGHTING REPORT. I FOUND THAT IT APPEARS TO ME, YOU KNOW, STANDARD ENGINEERING PRACTICE.

YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO HIRE THEIR OWN LIGHT LIGHT ENGINEER OR LIGHT PROFESSIONAL, WE COULD DO SO. I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW WITH THE APPLICANT.

IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FUND IT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD. I, I DID REVIEW THE LIGHT STUDY, LIKE I SAID, AND FOUND IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. WELL, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THEM TO DIM IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT WAS MY MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. CLARK, WOULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. THE BOARD NOT WORST CASE THAT WE APPROVE IT. WE APPROVE THE BOARD WITH THE WORST CASE. NOW IT'S IN YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICAL HERE. COME ON THE JOURNEY. RIGHT. COME ON. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, FOUR MONTHS IN THERE'S A PROBLEM. YEP. IT'S BEAMING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD. OR GOD FORBID, IT'S DISTRACTING FOR DRIVERS GOING IN THE NORTH SIDE. AND LET'S STAY WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

AND WE HAVE THIS 30 DEGREE ANGLE, KIND OF LIKE AREA OF PERIPHERAL, LIKE INTEGRITY, I'LL CALL IT. WHAT WOULD WE DO? LIKE IF YOU CAN'T DIM IT ANYMORE AND YOU CAN'T INCREASE THE ANGLE WHERE IT DOESN'T DISPERSE, OR I GUESS IT WOULD BE DECREASING THE ANGLE OF WHAT IT DOESN'T DISPERSE, RIGHT? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WELL, AGAIN, THE WAY IN WHICH THE DESIGN HAS BEEN LAID OUT THAT WOULD THAT CASE SCENARIO WOULD NOT HAPPEN. THE THE WAY IN WHICH IT'S ANGLED, YOU PHYSICALLY COULDN'T SEE THE LIGHT OUTSIDE THAT 30 DEGREE, WHICH THE NEIGHBORS ARE OUTSIDE THAT THAT ANGLE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T SEE IT. THE LEVELS ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY MUCH LOWER THAN THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE.

IF ANYTHING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ZERO AT THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE DESIGN HAS TAKEN ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I KNOW THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SITE PARKING LOT WITH WITH THE WITH THE LEDS. WE HAVE THAT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. AND AS MIKE MENTIONED, YOU LOOK BACK, YOU CAN DIM THEM. I'M SURE THESE CAN BE DIMMED TO SOME DEGREE AS WELL. BUT BUT THE CONTROL OF THE BILLBOARD IS ALMOST BETTER THAN WHAT YOU CAN DO ON SOME OF THESE SITE LIGHTING DESIGNS.

BUT THE ANGLE THING, THIS LOUVRE THING, AS WE CALL IT, IS REALLY THE BIG BENEFIT HERE BECAUSE ONCE AND AGAIN, WHEN WE SHOW THE VIDEO, YOU SEE ONCE YOU GO OUTSIDE, IT'S DARK, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T EVEN SEE EVEN THOUGH IT'S ILLUMINATING FOR THE DRIVERS. YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY. YOU CAN CAN YOU MANIPULATE THAT LOUVER IN ANY WAY? AND THAT COULD BE FOR MR. HARTMAN AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE. OR IS IT OR IS IT SET? I THINK IF YOU IT BECOMES LIKE WAY TOO, WAY TOO I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE. AND I'VE DONE A BUNCH OF THESE APPLICATIONS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN CHANGE THAT, MANIPULATE IT. OKAY. THE DIFFERENCE YOU GOT ALSO REMEMBER WITH THE BILLBOARD, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED TO EMIT LIGHT. THEY'RE JUST LIT THEMSELVES. SO IT'S NOT YOU CAN'T IT'S COMPARING IT TO LIKE A LIGHT SHINING DOWN. THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. YEAH.

AND THEY ADJUST TO THE AMBIENT LIGHT AS WELL. AND THAT WILL BE SHOWN IN THE VIDEO TOO, RIGHT? JUST TO BE A HAIR OVER THE AMBIENT LIGHT. THAT'S ALL IT IS. YEAH, YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

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IT'S A TYPICAL FOUNDATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. IT'S ABOUT 24YD■!T OF CONCRETE, SO IT'D BE LIKE TWO AND A HALF TRUCKLOADS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOOD, MR. LOCKWOOD? YES. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? NO. EXPERTS, MR. KELLY, MISS RUSSELL, A MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. IF WE JUST GET FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE SIGN THAT'S GOING TO FACE NORTHBOUND, THAT'LL BE UP LATE. CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THEY'RE BOTH UP LATE. NOW, YOU CAN SEE HERE NORTH ONE WILL CONTINUE TO BE UP LIT, AND THE OTHER ONE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE A DIGITAL LED UP TO. SO A BETTER LIGHT, BETTER LIGHTING SYSTEM THAT'S THERE. OKAY. ARE AREA LIGHTS MORE OF A SPLASH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS RUSSELL. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF THESE IF I'M OFF, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE THE HIGHWAY REGULATIONS WANT TO SEE EIGHT TO 10S PER DISPLAY OF DWELL TIME AND ONE SECOND OF CHANGE TIME. IS THAT ACCURATE. AND WOULD YOU COMPLY? YOU'RE IN THE RANGE. AND YES, I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT IS THE MINIMUM IT HAS TO. YEAH. OKAY. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THINGS THAT ARE SWITCHING EVERY. OH, OKAY. NO. AND ALSO, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE SIGNS I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE WORD STATIC BECAUSE THAT WILL BE CONFUSING IN THIS CONTEXT. BUT EACH DIGITAL DISPLAY WON'T WILL BE STATIC. IN OTHER WORDS, NO VIDEO, NO FLASHING, NO SCROLLING TEXT, RIGHT? NO NEON, NOTHING CRAZY FROM ONE TO ANOTHER. THERE'S NO SCROLLING, RIGHT? AND WHEN I SEE THE NEXT SIGN THAT SAYS LIKE, WHATEVER, COCA COLA, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE, NO, OKAY, NO. IS THAT AN OFFICIAL BRAND? YEAH. LIKE, LIKE THAT ON THE RECORD. THE BOTTLE IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO SEE A MOVING SCRIPT. OKAY? PART OF THAT GOES INTO DISTRACTION. THE DRIVER, THEY DON'T WANT THE DRIVER I THINK MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED GO SEE AND HANG ON.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE A MILE DOWN THE ROAD OR SOMETHING. THEY WANT IT UP, LOOK AT IT AND IT COMES BACK. RIGHT. AND THAT'S OUR CONCERN TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRIVER ISN'T SPENDING TIME LOOKING AT THE SIGN WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ROAD. SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER MAKING THAT A CONDITION. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DOES THE DOT DO THAT ITSELF OR. I THINK THAT WE DO, BUT WE COULD. RIGHT. YEAH. I GOT YOU AND WE WOULD AGREE TO THAT. YEP. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. GREAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC.

NO. ALL RIGHT. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. SERNA. GO AHEAD. ABOUT THE LIGHTING FOR THE FOR THE SIGN THAT'S FACING THE NORTH. IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS WITH THE LIGHT AFFECTING THE THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL, WOULD THERE BE CAN WE CAN CHANGE THAT? DIM THOSE LIGHTS. I BELIEVE WHAT MIKE MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THAT THERE'LL BE A LOOK BACK FOR LIGHTING. OH OKAY. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE REALLY GOT INTO THE OTHER ONE, BUT YES WE THAT ONE COULD BE DIMMED AS WELL. THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH, CORRECT.

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CLARK. I WOULD ALSO ALLOW QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARTMAN FROM THE PUBLIC. I DIDN'T OFFER THAT EARLIER. OKAY. THERE BEING NONE, I DON'T YOU SAID YOU MIGHT WANT TO NOW LOOK TO CARRY OR. YEAH,

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OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE. LET'S LOOK AT SOME DATES HERE. OH. WHEN ARE YOU AWAY. SO I'M AWAY FROM THE 10TH. THE 20TH. CAN YOU BE HERE ON THE SECOND? SECOND. I CAN BE HERE. YES. OH.

I'M SORRY, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE GOOD. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD. IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD GET YOU IN, ON SEPTEMBER 2ND. I. AND THAT MIGHT BE GOOD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ED'S HERE TONIGHT.

AND ED. I'M SORRY. I'LL WAIT. DO YOU HAVE A CONFLICT? ON WHICH DATE WAS THAT, MR. CLARK? OKAY. I MEAN, THE THERE'S ANOTHER APPLICANT AND ON THE 16TH THAT'S ON THE SAME PROPERTY. THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE WORST THING. THE ONLY. YOU CAN'T DO THAT EITHER. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. I MAY BE ABLE TO. THAT ONE, I MAY BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A BRAND NEW APPLICATION OR MAYBE GET SOMEONE. YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S PROBABLY BETTER WE DON'T IF YOU'RE ALREADY.

BECAUSE MR. SUTTER WON'T BE HERE AND THEN YOU'RE DOWN. A BOARD MEMBER WHO HEARD THE HEARING. SO OCTOBER 7TH IS EVERYONE WHO'S HERE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ON OCTOBER 7TH? YEAH.

YES. YEAH. HOW ABOUT OCTOBER 7TH? THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS DOCKET. SO FOR THE RECORD, DOCKET NUMBER 261621 HIGHWAY DISPLAYS, INC. ONE MOUNTAINSIDE AVENUE WILL BE CARRIED TO OCTOBER 7TH, 2026. NO FURTHER NOTICE IS REQUIRED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WE WAIVE ANY TIME. THAT'S A USE VARIANCE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU. AND NUMBER TWO YOU'LL SUBMIT THAT FIVE PAGE REPORT THE COURT.

YEAH AND I WILL I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE IT. I COULD SUBMIT THE VIDEOS IN ADVANCE. SO IF PEOPLE. AND THEN WE WILL PLAY THEM PLEASE. IF YOU COULD SUBMIT THEM AHEAD OF TIME THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OH YEAH. YEAH YEAH. THANK YOU. THANKS GUYS. IT'S KIND OF FINICKY. OH OKAY. BUT YOU CAN JUST PUT IT BACK. WE'LL CHECK IT WHEN WE'RE DONE. YEAH.

THANKS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THE BATTERY MIGHT BE DYING. I IT WAS NEVER CHARGED. OKAY. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD WORD. IT'S ONE OF MY FAVES. YEAH. IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

BEAUTIFUL. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. I'M JUST GOING TO JUST BECAUSE THE EASELS BLOCKING EVERYBODY ALWAYS PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CLARK. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL CALL YOU UP. I'M GOING TO DO A QUICK RECESS AFTER I CALL YOU UP. SO DOCKET NUMBER 261623 A JANINE ORSINI 18. PETERSON PLACE, BLOCK 139. LOT 21 IS AN APPLICATION. HELLO. WELCOME BACK. HELLO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU START, I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO DO A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. THAT WAY WE'LL GO AGAIN TO THE END OF THE I'M WAITING FOR YOU. OKAY? OKAY.

AND WE ARE BACK. BEFORE WE JUMP IN TO DOCKET NUMBER 261623, WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THE APPLICATION. MR. KASPARIAN. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YEAH. MY COMPANY, C K ELECTRONICS ELECTRICAL CONTRACTING, HAD BEEN IN SERVICES FOR JANINE ORSINI IN THE PAST FEW TIME, SO I FEEL THE NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE PRUDENT JUST TO. YOU SAID IN THE PAST, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? APPROXIMATELY A FEW YEARS, I THINK IT'S BEEN. I'M SORRY. I'M WITH C K ELECTRONICS, ELECTRICAL CONTRACTING. I'VE DONE SOME ELECTRICAL WORK FOR YOU. THE NAME IS VERY FAMILIAR.

IT WAS SUCH GOOD WORK THAT THEY FORGOT. YEAH. AND I KNOW YOUR I KNOW YOUR HISTORY OF YOU. YOU YOU WERE LOOKING TO ALWAYS BUILD A NEW HOUSE THERE. SO YOU WERE DOING THE REPAIRS AS NECESSARY. YOUR HOUSE GOES UP, THERE'S A LARGE BOULDER IN THE FRONT YARD. CHRISTIAN. YES.

CHRIS. OKAY. SORRY. I NEVER PERSONALLY KNOW. WE'VE NEVER MET YOU AND I HAVE NEVER MET.

I'VE TOLD THE BOARD I JUST PAID YOU. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER DON'T KNOW THE STORY. SO, YES, IT WAS EITHER. NO, MA'AM. I'M IN MAHWAH AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S OF NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN.

JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL HE HE FEELS THE NEED TO RECUSE HIMSELF, SO. YEAH. YEAH, IT'S

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STILL HAVE A QUORUM THERE. SEE VARIANCES. ONLY YOU COULD PROCEED AND ASK FOR A VOTE. YOU COULD BEGIN AND ASK TO CARRY IT. NON ATTENDING BOARD MEMBERS READ THE TRANSCRIPT. THAT'S UP TO YOU. MR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JENNIFER BERARDO OF THE FIRM, WELLS JAWORSKI AND LIEBMANN, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, JANINE ORSINI. THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 18 PETERSON PLACE, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS BLOCK 139, LOT 21. IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE R 40 DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY PRESENTLY MAINTAINS AN EXISTING ONE AND A HALF STORY DWELLING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OLD AND OUTDATED. AND WHAT IS VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THAT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSIZED, AND IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DEFICIENT IN LOT WIDTH. AND SPECIFICALLY, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 40,000FT■!S IN THE R 40 ZONE. AND THE APPLICANT MAINTAINS 18,767FT■!S, AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A LOT WIDTH OF 150FT.

AND WE ARE AT 60FT. THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR THE SIDE YARD ARE 30FT ON EACH SIDE, 60FT TOTAL. AND THEREFORE NOT TO BE SILLY HERE, BUT IF WE WERE TRYING TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING, WE PHYSICALLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE 30FT AND 30FT AND YOU'D BE RIGHT THERE. WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO DO AT THIS POINT IS TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING HOME AND TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY, TWO STORY DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY, AND JUST TO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND HISTORY HERE. THE PRIOR PROPERTY OWNER ACTUALLY WAS BEFORE THIS BOARD IN 2023, AND DID RECEIVE APPROVAL TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS AND A BUILDING ADDITION FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND THAT INCLUDED ALSO A SIGNIFICANT PATIO, A VERY SIGNIFICANT DRIVEWAY, AS WELL AS A NEARLY 1000 SQUARE FOOT THREE CAR DETACHED GARAGE. SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS EVENING IS THAT A LOT OF THAT VARIANCE RELIEF THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WERE ACTUALLY REDUCING AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION. AND THIS EVENING, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE STILL KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE SIDE YARD, SIDE YARD SETBACK DEFICIENCIES THAT WE HAVE. AND WE HAVE SOME DE MINIMIS OTHER RELIEF HERE, BUT WE ARE IMPROVING BOTH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVING THE ESTHETICS OF WHAT IS EXISTING THERE TODAY, TO BRING IT MORE IN LINE WITH THE SCALE AND MASSING AND DESIGN AND ESTHETIC OF PETERSON PLACE. SO THIS EVENING I DO HAVE WITH ME MR. JEFFREY HAUSER, WHO IS COVERING FOR MR. WEISSMAN THIS EVENING, WHO PREPARED OUR PLOT PLAN FOR US. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU HAVE GIVEN THIS MATTER? BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH I DO. OKAY, STATE YOUR FULL NAME. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, PLEASE. JEFFREY HAUSER, HOUSER. HAUSER ENGINEERING, 1141 GREENWOOD LAKE TURNPIKE, RINGWOOD, NEW JERSEY. THANK YOU. MAY BE SEATED. MR. HAUSER, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THE BENEFIT OF YOUR BACKGROUND, EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE? YES. I EARNED MY BACHELOR OF ENGINEERING DEGREE FROM STEVENS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY IN 2003. I'VE BEEN A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY SINCE 2008. I'M LICENSED IN SEVERAL OTHER STATES. I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IN NUMEROUS OTHER BOARDS THROUGHOUT NORTHERN NEW JERSEY AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, GIVING EXPERT TESTIMONY. YOUR LICENSES ARE ALL IN GOOD STANDING. YES. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO OFFER MR. HAUSER, AS A PROFESSIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING. THE BOARD RECOGNIZES HIM AS. SO THANK YOU, MR. HAUSER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. HAUSER. I UNDERSTAND YOU DID NOT PREPARE THE PLOT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT? I HAVE, AND HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ALSO TO VISIT THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA? YES, I HAVE. AND HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO REVIEW THE APPLICABLE ZONING ORDINANCE? YES. IF YOU COULD PLEASE, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD, PROVIDE US WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY, ORIENT US AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONFIGURATION TOPOGRAPHY, LIKE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN OUR 40 ZONE. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, IT IS A SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSIZED LOT. THE 40,000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT. WE'RE ONLY AT 18,767.3FT■!S, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 47% REQUIRED AREA. THE OTHER

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THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. IT'S ACTUALLY 14.5FT. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S A KEY ELEMENT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE WE'RE HAVING A GREATER VARIANCE OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS THAN WHERE WE ARE, WHICH I'LL GET TO SHORTLY. OKAY. SIMILARLY, THE HOUSE SIZE IN TERMS OF THE COVERAGE IN THE COVERAGE BREAKDOWN TABLE, THAT'S IN KIND OF THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. IT'S STATING IT AS 839FT■!S. I DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT CAD MEASUREMENTS FROM IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S 1090FT■!S. THERE'SA PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT'S NOT FULLY DEPICTED ON THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE. SO THAT THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BOTH THE DISCREPANCY IN THAT SIDE YARD SETBACK, AS WELL AS IN THE BUILDING COVERAGE. AND WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO IS PART OF THE HOUSE, PLUS A COVERED PORCH THAT'S THERE. SO WITH THAT, IN ADDITION, WITH THAT 1090FT■!S OF OF HOUSE AREA INSTEAD OF THE 839 OUR EXISTING LOT COVERAGE, RATHER THAN BEING 5.0%, IS ACTUALLY AROUND 6.3%. SIMILARLY, BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS SLIGHTLY LARGER, THE IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE RATHER THAN 1964FT■!S. I BELIEVE IT'S CLOSER THAN TO 2215FT■!S, WHICH MAKES T INSTEAD OF 10.5% 11.8%. AGAIN, BIG PICTURE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. BUT THOSE WERE SOME THINGS THAT IN MY REVIEW, WHEN I WHEN I AGREED TO TAKE ON COVERING THIS EVENING, I WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME AND MAKE SURE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO. IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS HERE, THE EXISTING DWELLING IS GOING TO BE KNOCKED DOWN AND CONSTRUCT A NEW HOUSE THAT'S ROUGHLY 2170FT■!S. OKAY. THE CURRENT HOUSE IS SET BACK QUITE FAR FROM THE ROAD RELATIVE TO WHAT THE THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK IS. IT'S AT 66.2FT. WE ARE MOVING THAT HOUSE FORWARD. AND LARGELY THAT'S WHAT'S COMING FORWARD IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW GARAGE. OKAY, SO THE PRINCIPAL AREA OF THE PROPOSED MEAT OF THE HOUSE IS MORE OR LESS IN THE SAME VICINITY AS THE EXISTING HOUSE, BUT WE'RE HAVING AN ATTACHED GARAGE COME FORWARD. THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 40.4FT TO THAT FRONT OF THAT GARAGE, THE EXISTING HOUSE. I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR JUST SO EVERYONE HAS CONTEXT, WOULD IT BE GOOD TO JUST GET THE STREET ORIENTATION BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HOUSE IS NOT FACING. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND NEGATIVE. YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY HOMES

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OKAY. AND IF YOU COULD JUST REVIEW FOR US, AGAIN, THE, THE STORM WATER, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE STORM WATER ON THIS PROPERTY. YES. SO WE'RE PROPOSING 2000 GALLON SEEPAGE PITS IN AN EXCAVATION WITH GRAVEL, THE, THE, THE ROOF, THE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS WOULD BE RUN TO THESE PITS VIA SIX INCH PVC PIPING. AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT TRENCH DRAIN IN THE DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD BE RUNNING TO THAT TOO. SO WE WILL IMPROVE. WE WILL. WE'LL HAVE ZERO NET RUNOFF BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS ONCE WE KNOW THE PERMEABILITY. AND THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT THAT DOES NOT EXIST ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. CORRECT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO FORMAL STORMWATER CONTROL AT THE TIME AT THIS MOMENT THAT I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND ALSO TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWNSHIP'S ENGINEER. YES. THANK YOU. I GUESS IF YOU COULD JUST REVIEW FOR US SOME OF JUST ALL OF THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITIES WHICH ARE ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS MAYBE TOUCH ON SOME OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SURE. SO, SO THE, THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITIES ARE AS A NONCONFORMING LOT. I ALREADY MENTIONED THE, THE LOT AREA DEFICIENCY, THE LOT WIDTH DEFICIENCY 100 150FT IS REQUIRED. WE ONLY HAVE 60FT. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A 40% OF THE REQUIRED INDIVIDUAL SIDE YARDS. 30FT IS REQUIRED. AGAIN WITH A 60 FOOT WIDE LOT. WE LITERALLY HAVE NO COMPLIANT BUILDING ENVELOPE. AS IS RIGHT NOW. THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE SOUTH IS LOCATED 14.5FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH, IT'S 16.9. BOTH ARE EXISTING VARIANCES. THERE'S ALSO A COMBINED SIDE YARD REQUIREMENT OF 60FT. AGAIN, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT WOULD OCCUPY THE ENTIRE LOT. CURRENTLY IT'S 31.4FT. EXISTING BUILDING COVERAGE. THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED IS 15%. WE ARE AT 16.36%. THAT'S ONE OF THE CORRECTIONS I MENTIONED EARLIER. SIMILARLY, EXISTING IMPROVED LOT COVERAGE, MAXIMUM PERMITTED IS 30%. WE'RE AT 11.8%. BOTH OF THOSE ARE COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. FROM A FRONT FRONT YARD SETBACK, 40FT REQUIRED, 40.4 IS BEING PROPOSED THAT CONFORMS FROM A REAR YARD SETBACK. AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS ON THE PLAN. IT STATES THAT IT'S GREATER THAN 35FT. I BELIEVE IT'S 179.3FT, WHICH IS FAR GREATER THAN THE REQUIRED 40FT.

WE CONFIRMED THE IMPROVED LOT COVERAGE IS 22.1%. IT CONFORMS WITH THE MINIMUM OF THE MAXIMUM OF 30%. FOR A BUILDING COVERAGE PERSPECTIVE, THE MAX ALLOWED IS 15%. THIS IS ANOTHER VARIANCE WE ARE REQUESTING. WE'RE AT A NOMINAL 15.6%, JUST OVER THE REQUIRED. AGAIN, THAT THAT'S LARGELY A PRODUCT OF THE UNDERSIZED LOT. AND HAVING A PROPOSING A STRUCTURE THAT WE FEEL FITS THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS PROPERTY. SIDE YARDS, 30FT

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AND I DON'T SEE ANY A PROBLEM WITH THAT? THERE'S HOUSES IN FRONT OF US AND DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD FROM US THAT IT. IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHT SHOT, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS. IN TERMS OF THE VARIANCE ITSELF. YOU KNOW, IT'S MOSTLY DRIVEN BY THE EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THE REQUIRED LOT WIDTH IS 150FT. OUR LOT WIDTH IS ONLY 60FT. THE PROPERTY IS LITERALLY 90FT DEFICIENT IN THE REQUIRED WIDTH, WHICH IS 40% OF THE REQUIRED WIDTH. AS A RESULT OF THAT NARROWNESS, THERE'S A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SIDE YARD, AND THE REQUIRED SIDE YARDS OF 30FT JUST ARE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY IMPROVEMENT ON THE STRUCTURE. SIMILARLY, WITH THE COMBINED REQUIREMENT FOR 60FT.

SO IT'S MY OPINION THAT THIS IS A DIRECT AND SUBSTANTIAL DIMENSIONAL HARDSHIP RESULTING FROM THE EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS OF THE PROPERTY. THE LOTS UNDERSIZED. THE PROPERTY IS ONLY 47% THE REQUIRED SIZE THAT THAT PLAYS INTO THE BUILDING COVERAGE VARIANCE AS WELL. THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ALREADY DEMONSTRATES THIS HARDSHIP BECAUSE WE HAVE THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES FOR SIDE YARD SETBACKS. WE ARE SLIGHTLY INCREASING UPON THEM, BUT THAT'S LARGELY A PRODUCT TO TRY TO KEEP A STRUCTURE WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON SUCH A SUBSTANDARD LOT. AGAIN, I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED THE DESIRE TO HAVE A ATTACHED GARAGE. OKAY, ALMOST ALL THE I THINK EVERY PROPERTY ON THE STREET DOES HAVE A GARAGE, EXCEPT FOR THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR WHO HAS A SIMILAR SIZE STRUCTURE AS US, BUT ALSO IT'S AN OLDER STRUCTURE. GARAGES OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET VEHICLES OFF THE STREET, GET THINGS OUT OF THE YARD, PROVIDE STORAGE. THEY ARE INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. HAVING A SIDE LOAD GARAGE TO PRESERVE THE ESTHETICS OF THE FRONT VIEW, DESIRABLE HERE, THE VIEW FROM THE STREET. AND IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT THAT SIDE LOADING GARAGE, WE NEED THE ABILITY TO PULL INTO AND OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY, WHICH EATS UP A LOT OF THE LOT WIDTH. AS I, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. IN TERMS OF THE THE VARIANCE FOR THE BUILDING COVERAGE, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S SIMPLY A PRODUCT OF, OF THE SIZE OF THE UNDERSIZED NATURE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S A MODEST HOUSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A MODEST HOUSE FOR THE LOT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE. AND THAT 15.6% VARIANCE IS NOMINAL IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS. I IF WE HAD A COMPLIANT LOT, WOULD WE EVEN BE HERE TODAY? LIKELY. NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY, THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE SEEKING HERE, NOT ONLY ARE DUE TO THE PHYSICAL HARDSHIPS THAT THIS PROPERTY FACES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO BETTER ZONE ALTERNATIVES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND IS YOUR OPINION BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, THAT THERE'S THERE WILL BE NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO ANY OF THE SURROUNDING HOMES. AND IN FACT, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT BOTH TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREA. CORRECT. THE USE REMAINS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THERE IS NO SUBDIVISION HERE. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT.

THERE'S NO INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. THE FRONT YARD SETBACK CONFORMS. THE REAR

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WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE WITH THE ADDITION OF A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

AND OVERALL FOR THE CONSTRAINTS OF THIS LOT, THIS THIS IS A GOOD USE AND A GOOD FIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HAUSER. MR. KELLY, JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU. IS THE GENERATOR ALSO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? I FORGET IT IS, BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE NUMBER OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES YOU CAN HAVE ON SITE. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE WOULD JUST NEED WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A VARIANCE FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE DEPENDS ON THE GREENHOUSE AND IF IT CONFORMS OR NOT. YEAH. SO THE EXISTING SHED IS LESS THAN 120FT■!S. SO THE EXISTING SHED DOES NOT COUNT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TOWARDS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES YOU CAN HAVE. SO WE WOULD NEED THE AREA OF THE GREENHOUSE STRUCTURE. AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE IF IT'S LESS THAN 120FT■!S, IT ONLY NEEDS TO BE SET BACK, I BELIEVE, FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN IF IT'S GREATER THAN 120FT■!S, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE ST BACK ONE HALF. THE REQUIRED SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS.

THE GREENHOUSE IS ALSO GOING TO COUNT TOWARDS THE LOT COVERAGE. SO RIGHT NOW VARIANCE IS REQUESTED FOR. WE'RE AT 15.6%, WHERE MINIMUM MAXIMUM OF 15% IS REQUIRED. SO WHEN WE RECORD THIS WE'RE GOING TO NEED WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT EXACT PERCENTAGE. OKAY. SO THE GREENHOUSE IS GOING TO COUNT TOWARDS THAT. IT'S ALSO GOING TO COUNT TOWARDS THE IMPROVED LOT COVERAGE. BUT THEY'RE WELL UNDER THAT. SO I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT THAT'S GOING TO CREATE VARIANCE CONDITION THAT WE NEED. NOTED FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT JUST INFORMED US THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE GREENHOUSE. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S AN ISSUE THAT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASIER. YES. THAT MAKES THINGS MUCH EASIER. YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAUSER. WE'LL START ON THIS SIDE. I DROVE PAST THE PROPERTY THE OTHER DAY AND I AGREE IT'S REALLY A SUBSTANDARD LOT. AND I VOTED FOR THE LAST RESOLUTION, ALTHOUGH I HAVE NO MEMORY OF IT. SO. SO I APOLOGIZE. MY QUESTION IS, HAS THIS LOT ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY? IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE FENCED IN SOMEHOW.

PROPERTY WAS WAS PROPERTY SOLD OFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS VERY CONFUSING TO ME FROM MY CAR. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS ALL PART OF PETERSON PLACE FARM. AT ONE POINT IT WAS OWNED BY A FAMILY. AND THEN THE TWO SUBSTANDARD LOTS, OURS, AS WELL AS THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF OURS, WERE OWNED BY THE PETERSON SISTERS, AND THEY RESIDED ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN ALL THE PARCELS GOT SOLD OFF AND THEY WERE LEFT WITH THESE TWO. AND I THINK THOSE TWO WOMEN ARE NO LONGER RESIDING, OBVIOUSLY AT THE PROPERTY. SO THEY'VE BEEN SUBSTANDARD FOR THE CONDITION FOR A LONG TIME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. MR. TAYLOR, NO QUESTIONS COMING ON THIS SIDE. YES, MR. HAUSER, SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THE SIDE SETBACKS BECAUSE I WHEN I REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. NO. IT WAS YEAH. NO, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING YOU SAID. SO THANK YOU. MY ONLY COMMENT IS SO AND YOU MENTIONED THIS TOO BEFORE THAT THE TOTAL SIDE SETBACK IS 31.4. SO AS OPPOSED SO WE'RE NOT GOING FROM 36 9 TO 25. WE'RE GOING FROM 31 4 TO 25.

SO THAT THERE'S THAT MARKERS ON THE PLOT PLAN AND IN THE APPLICATION. SO JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE PLOT PLAN HAS THE INCORRECT NUMBER ON IT. AND IT SHOULD REALLY BE INSTEAD OF 369, IT SHOULD BE 314, CORRECT? YEP. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN 2023 WAS A COMBINED SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 29.45, JUST FOR THE RECORDS. AND I DO HAVE ALSO WITH ME A COPY OF THE SURVEY, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE APPLICATION, I APOLOGIZE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THAT AS EXHIBIT A ONE, AND I CAN PROVIDE A COPY TO EVERYONE. WAS PREPARED BY MR. WEISSMAN, AND IT INDICATES THE 14.5 SIDE YARD SETBACK THAT MR. HAUSER HAS CLARIFIED. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SETBACKS. BUT THE VARIANCE THAT WE DID APPROVE, AS WAS JUST STATED, WAS 29.45. SO WE'RE NOW REALLY GOING FROM A TOTAL OF 29.45 TO 25. SO THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM THE 3936 DOWN TO THE 29. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS 11FT MORE IS WHAT

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ORIGINAL COMBINED. CORRECT. CORRECT. YEAH. I CAN'T SEE THAT. RIGHT. THE ORIGINAL THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY WAS 31.4 COMBINED TOTAL. THE LAST RESOLUTION WE APPROVED IT DOWN FROM 31.4 TO 29.45. YEP. NOW WE'RE GOING TO 25. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S IT. SO IT'S WRONG ON THE PLAN AS IT'S DEPICTED AS THE 36.9. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING FROM 36.9 TO 25. WE'RE GOING FROM 31.4 TO A PRIOR APPROVAL OF 29.45 TO NOW 25. YEAH. THANK YOU. RIGHT. YES, YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. YES. MR. HAUSER TESTIFIED TO THAT AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S IN THE RECORD. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. I'M GOOD. MR. SERNA, ANYTHING? ARE THERE OTHER MR. HAUSER LIKE, ARE THERE OTHER LOTS THAT LIKE FINGER LOTS LIKE THIS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE, WELL, THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US IS THE SAME, RIGHT? AND JUST FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DRIVE PAST IS THE HOUSE ENGINEERED, DESIGNED, BUILT A SIMILAR WAY TO. I'D SAY IT MIGHT BE EVEN OLDER THAN THE CURRENT HOUSE, OR MAYBE IT HASN'T BEEN REPAINTED. IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLDER STRUCTURE. THE NEIGHBORING. OKAY, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THAT AT SOME POINT WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF GOTCHA ON THE STREET. YEAH. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT, MR. KELLY, ANY QUESTIONS? JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PLAN IS TO CONSTRUCT THIS HOUSE IN TERMS OF TIME FRAME? THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET STARTED SOON. I'M JUST FOR REFERENCE, WE JUST PAVED PETERSON PLACE LAST YEAR. THERE'S A TWO YEAR MORATORIUM ON EXCAVATING IN THE ROAD. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY'RE PROPOSING TO EXCAVATE IN THE ROAD BEFORE JANUARY. JUNE 6TH OF 27. AS LONG AS I CAN GET EVERYTHING DONE. LIKE ALL THIS DONE. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO START AS SOON AS I CAN. WELL WE SHOULD, YEAH. I THINK MAYBE MR. KELLY, IF IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO TESTIFY, THEY WILL SWEAR HER IN. I DON'T I DON'T THINK SHE NEEDS TO TESTIFY. IF THEY IF THEY PROPOSE TO DISTURB THE ROAD PRIOR TO THAT TWO YEAR MORATORIUM, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THEY MILL AND PAVE THE ROAD FOR THE FULL WIDTH OF WHEREVER THEIR DISTURBANCES ARE.

SO FOR FULL LENGTH OF THE ROAD FROM EDGE TO EDGE OF ROAD, AND THAT'S JUNE 2026. THAT'S JUNE 6TH, 2027, 2027. SO ONE MORE YEAR FROM FROM THIS LAST JUNE. IT MAY IT'S POSSIBLE IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY TO GO INTO THE ROAD. IT'S AN EXISTING HOUSE WITH EXISTING UTILITIES. SO IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE CONNECTION OUTSIDE OF THE ROAD, I WE'D HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF THE DRIVEWAY.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO NOT DISTURB THE ROAD, IF YOU DISTURB THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MILL IT FULL LENGTH OF THE ROAD, FULL WIDTH OF THE ROAD FOR WHEREVER THEY DISTURBED. UNDERSTOOD. AND WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION.

SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED. YEP. I REVIEWED THE THE DRAINAGE MEASURES PROPOSED. I TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEERS TESTIMONY. WE WILL WE WILL REQUIRE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS TO BE SUBMITTED FOR OUR REVIEW, WHICH. THAT'S CUSTOMARY. CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE TESTIMONY ON THE AMOUNT OF SOIL THAT'S TO BE MOVED. YES. THERE ARE SOIL QUANTITIES ON THE PLAN ITSELF. BASED ON ON THE DWELLING ITSELF, THERE'S AN ANTICIPATED 389YD■!T, THE FOOTINGS, ANOTHER 39YD■!T. THE SEEPAGE PIT EXCAVATION IS IS 59YD■!T, FOR A TOTAL OF 487YD■!.

THERE'S MINIMAL PROPOSED CHANGE TO TO GRADE, SO MOST OF THAT MATERIAL WOULD BE EXPORTED OFF THE SITE. WE'RE ALSO BRINGING IN STONE FOR THE SEEPAGE PITS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO NINE CUBIC YARDS AT THE TIME, BUT THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON ADDITIONAL SOIL STORMWATER CALCULATIONS AND SOIL PERMEABILITY RESULTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. KELLY. BOARD MEMBERS. GOOD. YOU GOOD. JUST. IF THE BOARD WOULD ACT FAVORABLY, THE PLAN WILL BE AMENDED, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. YOU CAN OPEN UP FOR

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THERE BEING NONE. YOUR NEXT WITNESS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'D LIKE TO CALL MR. JOSEPH DONATO.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HAUSER. THANK YOU.

MUSICAL EASELS. HERE WE GO. YEP. GO AHEAD. IF YOU WOULD STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS MATTER BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO STATE YOUR FULL NAME. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, PLEASE. JOSEPH DONATO, DONATO. LOCATED AT 1404 WEST RIVER EDGE, NEW JERSEY. THANK YOU, MR. GENTLEMEN. MR. DONATO, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THE BENEFIT OF YOUR BACKGROUND, EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE? SURE. I HOLD A BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE, GRADUATED IN 1985 FROM NY. I T RECEIVED MY LICENSE IN NEW JERSEY IN 1992, AND I'VE HELD MY OWN PRACTICE THROUGHOUT NEW JERSEY SINCE 1995. I GO TO MEETINGS PROBABLY THREE TIMES A MONTH. I'M ALSO A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER IN FOR TEN YEARS IN THE BOROUGH OF UPPER SADDLE RIVER. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT. THANKS. ALL OF YOUR LICENSES ARE IN GOOD STANDING. YES. THANK YOU, GOOD GUYS. YES. THE BOARD RECOGNIZES YOU AS AN EXPERT IN THE AREA OF ARCHITECTURE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW, MR. DONATO, YOU'VE HEARD THE TESTIMONY OF MR. HAUSER REGARDING THE PROPERTY, ITS CONFIGURATION AND ITS EXISTING NON-CONFORMITIES. COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WENT INTO YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING TO DESIGN THE SITE AND REDESIGN THIS SITE, AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS BOTH FUNCTIONAL AND FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? ABSOLUTELY. SO WHEN I MET THE APPLICANT, WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR APPROVAL FOR FOR DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THE DESIRE IS THAT THE APPLICANT WANTED WAS REALLY AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, BASICALLY, WE'RE AGING A POPULATION. THEY DIDN'T WANT A SEPARATE DETACHED GARAGE. AND FROM DRIVING AROUND ON PETERSON PLACE, BASICALLY ALL THE HOMES HAD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE LARGER IN SIZE, THEY HAD 2 OR 3 CAR GARAGES AND THEY WERE ALL SIDE LOADED. SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THE GARAGE DOORS FACING THE STREET. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE WANTED WITHIN THE HOUSE. THE PRIOR APPLICATION. SO THE EXISTING SITE OFF OF PETERSON, WE HAVE A AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE DRIVEWAY THERE. THERE'S ALSO A DRIVE ON THE LEFT SIDE, A GRAVEL PATH, BASICALLY BECAUSE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE FACING THE NEIGHBOR. IT'S NOT FACING THE FRONT. SO THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROPOSE AND I'LL GET TO MY FOOTPRINT OF THE OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE WANTED A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE FRONT, WHICH WAS 40.4FT FROM THE FRONT YARD, BUT IT HAD TO BE SIDE LOADED GARAGE JUST SO THAT WE DIDN'T SEE GARAGE DOORS. THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING IS 35FT IN THE REAR. THE GARAGE EXTENDS BEYOND THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE AT 21FT, SO WE HAVE A SIDE YARD OF TEN FEET ON THE LEFT AND A 29FT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO SWING THE CARS INTO THE GARAGE.

AND THEN AND THEN FROM THERE, THE CONCEPT OF THE PLANS WAS TO ENTER A MUDROOM, HAVE FIRST FLOOR LIVING WITH A BEDROOM, A SECOND FLOOR, AND ALSO A BASEMENT. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND I THINK THE PRIOR APPLICATION WAS KEEPING THE STRUCTURE. HOWEVER, IT'S A IT'S A BUILDING FROM LIKE THE 1900S. THE FOUNDATION BASEMENT IS ABOUT FIVE FOOT HIGH, HAS RUBBLE, STONE. THERE'S NO CONCRETE. EVEN THE FIRST FLOOR. THE. THE FLOOR BEAMS ARE TWO BY SIXES, WHICH SETTLED. SO IT'S REALLY A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT DON'T MEET CODE.

IT'S THE STAIRS THAT DON'T MEET CODE. THE. THE WALLS, INSULATION, BASICALLY THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. BESIDES THE LOT BEING NON-CONFORMING, THE STRUCTURE. THERE'S A LOT OF ASPECTS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE NONCONFORMING. SO THE PROPOSAL IS REALLY TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND THEN PROPOSE THIS BUILDING. ONE. ALSO NOTE I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT

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I THINK YOU TOLD US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THE EXISTING HOME NOW. RIGHT. AND WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE EXTERIOR FINISHES. AND YOU CAN REVIEW FOR US THE SETBACK, THE HEIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT I HAVE ON THE EASEL ARE THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD. THERE'S FOUR SHEETS. THE FIRST SHEET IS ELEVATIONS VIEWS OF THE BUILDING. A2 IS THE BASEMENT. A3 IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN. A4 IS THE SECOND SECOND FLOOR PLAN. I WANT TO START WITH MAYBE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A THREE. SO THE FURTHEST PART, THE LEFT OF THE.

THE PLANS WOULD BE FACING PETERSON. SO I CAN GET TO THIS SIDE. SO PETERSON FOLLOWS THIS PART OF THE PLAN. YOU WOULD DRIVE IN TO THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU WOULD MAKE A LEFT INTO THE CAR GARAGE, AND THAT GIVES YOU. AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A TEN FOOT SIDE YARD ON THIS SIDE.

AND IT'S 29FT ON THIS SIDE. SO WHERE THE GARAGE IS, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 39FT COMBINED. THEN WE HAVE A FRONT PORCH. SO AS I GET CLOSER TO THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS 34FT, TWO INCHES FURTHER THAN WHAT THE GARAGE IS. SO BASICALLY, IF I LOOK AT THIS SIDE VIEW, YOU SEE THE TWO CAR GARAGES HERE, PETERSON PLACE. THE STRUCTURE IS 44FT FROM THE GARAGE TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. BUT THEN WHEN I GET TO THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS, WHERE 68.9FT, AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE FLOORPLAN. AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SETBACK OF THE SETBACK OF THE FACADE OF THE FRONT. AND THEN I GET TO MY FRONT DOOR. SO I HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE. WE HAVE A DOOR GOING INTO A MUDROOM, A LAUNDRY ROOM, A HALF BATH. WE HAVE FRONT DOORS THAT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO A DINING ROOM, A GREAT ROOM, A KITCHEN, AND THEN A SET OF STAIRS THAT GO UPSTAIRS AND ONE BEDROOM WITH A FULL BATH. SO THIS ENTIRE FOOTPRINT, WHICH INCLUDES THE GARAGE, THE LIVING SPACE, AND A COVERED PORCH IN THE BACK. WE HAVE THE GARAGE AREA AT 540FT■!, THE REAR PORCH AREA AT 560FT■!S. THE LIVING PART OF THE HOUSE IS 1,612.5. AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE FRONT DECK OFF THE FRONT, WHICH IS 79.4. SO THIS THIS FOOTPRINT, AND I BELIEVE MR. HAUSER GAVE YOU THE COVERAGE, WHICH IS 15.6%, INCLUDES THE GARAGE, THE COVERED PORCH AND THE HOUSE ITSELF. WE'RE AT 15.6 WHERE THE PRIOR APPROVAL, THEIR TOTAL BUILDING COVERAGE WAS 18.7. SO WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. WE WE MADE A THREE CAR GARAGE, WHICH WAS DETACHED, AND WE ATTACHED IT TO THE HOUSE. SO BASICALLY THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING IS 35FT. IT'S 21FT WHERE THE GARAGES ARE. AND THEN THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE IS

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SO AGAIN, IT'S IT'S A TWO AND A HALF STORY WITH TWO, TWO STORIES WITH A BASEMENT. THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THIS WAS TRIGGERED MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE ESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DRIVING FORCE HERE WAS WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE SIDE DOORS.

THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION. YOU COULD SEE THIS PART OF THE GARAGE. THAT'S THE PART THAT STICKS OUT THAT'S 21FT WIDE. AND AT THIS LOCATION, AT THE FACADE OF THE GARAGE, WHERE COMBINED 2039FT IN COMBINED SIDE YARD, TEN FEET ON THE LEFT SIDE, 29FT. AND THAT IS WHERE WE GIVES US THAT TURNING RADIUS TO THE GARAGE. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A MODERN FEEL, BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT ROOF LINES TO BREAK THE STRUCTURE UP RATHER THAN. SO BASICALLY THE WHOLE DESIGN WAS RATHER THAN DESIGN A HOUSE THAT'S 40FT FROM THE HOUSE, WE REALLY KIND OF THE MASSING OF IT. WE ONLY HAVE 35FT IN WIDTH TO WORK, SO WE KIND OF PUSH THINGS IN AND OUT JUST TO GIVE IT SOME ARCHITECTURAL SCALE AND PROPORTION TO THE 60 FOOT WIDE PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE SIDING WITH SOME STONE, SOME SOME METAL ROOFS, JUST TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE ESTHETICS. AND ALSO, MR. HOWARD TOUCHED ON THE HEIGHT. WE'RE 33FT TO THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT AGAIN, THIS GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT STICKS OUT, THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU SEE THAT'S AT 28FT. AS YOU GET FURTHER BACK TO THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE IT'S 33FT. SO WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE HEIGHT PERMITTED. AND THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO DO SOME METAL ROOFS, HARDIPLANK SIDING. AND AGAIN, MORE OF A OPEN CONTEMPORARY FEEL JUST TO THANK YOU. JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE BOARD, DID YOU CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS HERE FOR THE PROPERTY? YES. SO THE FIRST THING WAS ALL RIGHT. WE KNEW WE WENT THROUGH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. WE WANTED THE GARAGE ATTACHED. ONE OPTION WAS BRINGING THE ENTIRE HOUSE TO THE 40 FOOT LIMIT. BUT WHAT YOU REALLY SAW WERE GARAGE DOORS AND A FRONT DOOR DIDN'T LOOK REALLY ANYTHING ESTHETICALLY ARCHITECTURALLY PLEASING. SO THIS IS. THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT REALLY BREAKING THIS UP. WE HAD THE DEBT. WE DON'T HAVE THE 60 FOOT LOT. THE PROPERTY IS I THINK IT'S 309FT DEEP. SO THAT'S WHERE THE COURTYARD CONCEPT IS SIDE LOADED. WE FELT THAT IT REALLY THE MASSING HELPED HERE. WE GOT THE GARAGES TOWARD THE FRONT, THE MAIN HOUSE GOT PUSHED BACK.

AND I THINK THAT HELPS VISUALLY WITH THE 60 FOOT WIDE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S THE FOOTPRINT YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THAT'S WHY WE FELT THIS REALLY BROKE UP THE MASSING, RATHER THAN HAVING THE WHOLE BUILDING ALL THE WAY FORWARD TO THE FRONT YARD. SO WOULD IT BE YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THEN THAT THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN ADDS GREATER DEPTH AND DIMENSION AND ESTHETIC INTRIGUE TO THE HOME? ABSOLUTELY. AND ALSO COMPARING IT TO THE PRIOR APPROVAL, THE

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I THINK THE THE BREAKING OF THE MASSING, THE GARAGE TO THE MAIN HOUSE, HAVING A FRONT PORCH, ONE STORY ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, THERE'S A LOT OF MASSING THAT WAS BREAKING DOWN WITH THE SCALE OF THE 60 FOOT. AND THAT'S HOW REALLY THIS WAS BROUGHT UP WITH THE FOOTPRINT MASSING. MR. DONATO, CAN YOU DEFINE MASSING FOR ME? SO RATHER THAN HAVING A A HOUSE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT, YOU'D HAVE A GARAGE WITH ALMOST LIKE A BLOCK. YOU MEAN LIKE IF, IF THE GARAGE THAT YOU HAVE PROTRUDING OUT TO THE FRONT WAS FLUSH WITH THE FRONT DOOR, AND THEN YOU JUST BUILT ON TOP OF THAT AND WENT BACK. RIGHT. OKAY. SO HERE WE BROKE IT UP. WE HAVE A SMALLER STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE. THE MAIN PART OUT FURTHER BACK, WE HAVE A ONE STORY PORCH, WHICH ALSO BREAKS THAT UP. AGAIN, IT'S 34FT BACK. SO THE MASSING IS MORE MORE IN SCALE TO THE LOT. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT PUSHING THE GARAGE BACK WOULD ELIMINATE THE FRONT FRONT YARD SETBACK, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD STILL BE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE VARIANCE WITH THE GARAGE, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ACTUALLY A FRONT YARD SETBACK VARIANCE. OH YOU DON'T KNOW THE. OH RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. YEAH. NO I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT YEAH WE MEET THE 40. YEAH. FEET. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT'S THE GARAGE AND THEN THE HOUSE STARTS, BUT THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. YEAH. IT'S NOT A SEPARATE IT'S PART OF THE STRUCTURE. RIGHT? CORRECT. YEP. UNDERSTOOD. AND WE NEEDED THAT SETBACK IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN AN APPROPRIATE TURNING RADIUS TO BE ABLE TO ENTER AND EXIT OUT OF THE GARAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE 29FT SETBACK ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND TEN ON THE LEFT. YEAH. AND HAVING AN ATTACHED GARAGE AS WELL AS A BEDROOM AND ALL OF YOUR LIVING AVAILABLE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD ALLOW US. TO AGE IN PLACE. ABSOLUTELY. IF THE WEATHER WISE, YOU PULL RIGHT IN AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO A MUDROOM. YES. AND THIS IS A MODEST SIZE HOME, CORRECT. FOR MODERN LIVING STANDARDS. YES. AND WOULD YOU ALSO INDICATE THAT IT'S MODEST SIZE HOME IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER HOMES ALONG PETERSON PLACE? YEAH. DEFINITELY. YES. AND WOULD THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE HERE WITH THE DESIGN ACTUALLY BRING THE SIZE OF THE HOME INTO GREATER CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT IS EXISTING ON PETERSON PLACE? ABSOLUTELY. NOT ONLY IN SIZE, BUT EVEN AGAIN, THE HEIGHTS, THE BASEMENTS, FIVE FOOT UPSTAIRS BEDROOM IS NOT EVEN CONFORMING TO SEVEN FOOT. IT'S LESS THAN THAT. SO YES. OKAY. AND IS YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE. SO THE SCALE AND THE MASSING OF THE HOME, THEN WE'RE BRINGING IT INTO MORE IN LINE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. ESPECIALLY WITH THAT 60 FOOT WIDE LOT. I THINK IT REALLY FITS INTO THE PROPERTY. I THINK THE PROPERTY CAN HANDLE THIS HOUSE WITH THOSE THE MASSING SETBACKS AND DESIGN. AND EVEN WITH OUR DIMINISHED SETBACK, WE STILL HAVE ADEQUATE OPEN AIR, LIGHT AND SPACE IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. YES. SO WE HAVE 15FT ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

AGAIN, IT'S OPEN SPACE. IT'S NOT A DRIVEWAY. WE HAVE TEN ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THE PRIOR APPLICATION HAD 15 ON THAT SIDE, BUT IT WAS A DRIVEWAY. SO THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, WAS BASICALLY 200FT LONG. AND IF THAT WAS BUILT, I COULD SEE MYSELF, EVEN IF I WOULD PARK MY CARS THERE RATHER THAN GOING IN THE BACK OF A DETACHED GARAGE AND TRYING TO GET IN MY HOUSE.

SO WE KIND OF, IN MY MIND, WE GAVE THE MORE OPEN SPACE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TEN FEET, IT'S MORE AN AREA FOR LANDSCAPING, OPEN SPACE, AIR AND LAKE. AND THERE'S STILL ALSO A VEGETATIVE BUFFER IN BETWEEN BOTH OF THE SIDE YARDS. ABSOLUTELY. YES. AND WOULD IT ALSO BE YOUR

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I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE FOR THE APPLICANT. I THINK IT'S A BETTER OPTION FOR THE NEIGHBORS ALSO. SO YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. DONATO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DONATO. BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS. NONE. MR. TAYLOR, YOU GOOD? COMING DOWN THIS WAY? YEAH. I HAVE JUST ONE COMMENT AND ONE QUESTION. SO, MR. DONATO, SO WORKING WITH THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHEN I WENT OVER THERE TO SEE IT, I THOUGHT, WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? I WAS REALLY PERPLEXED. AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT YOUR DESIGN IS VERY NICE AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO FIT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL. I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH WHAT YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH ON THAT PROPERTY. MY QUESTION IS, THE FOUNDATION YOU SAID WAS STONE RUBBLE. YEAH, RUBBLE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A STONE FOUNDATION. OH. OH, OKAY. AND ANIMALS ARE GETTING IN VERY EASILY. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT LIKE REMOVING A WHOLE STONE FOUNDATION. OKAY.

WELL, IT'S GOING TO GET REMOVED. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S TAKEN OFF THE PROPERTY OR LEFT ON THE. IT WILL TAKE. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS IT. THAT'S IT. ON THE SIDE YARDS YOU MENTIONED THERE'S VEGETATION BETWEEN. SO TWO QUESTIONS. I'M INTERESTED IN WHATEVER SCREENING OR VEGETATION IS THERE. AND THEN JUST ABOUT HOW FAR THE NEIGHBORS ARE INTO THEIR SETBACK OR INTO THEIR. IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THAT. YEAH, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, IS IT SIMILAR? BECAUSE ON ONE SIDE, WE HAD THE OTHER LOT THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS. SO THEY CAN'T BE THAT FAR INTO THE LOT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT, THEY HAVE THEIR SIDE LOADED. THEY'RE PROBABLY 35FT AWAY. OKAY. SO WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS QUESTION, WE HAVE THE DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE EGRESS INTO THE GARAGE, YOU'VE GOT THE, I THINK YOU SAID YOU COULD TURN THE CAR THERE OR WHATEVER THE WORDS WERE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S LOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THAT IS THERE DRIVEWAY THERE AS WELL, TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOME OR THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOME IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOME. SO THEIR DRIVEWAY IS SET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY, BUT IT'S ON THAT SIDE. OKAY. SO NO, NO ISSUE THERE WITH THE TWO DRIVEWAYS ABUTTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OH, THAT'S THE SHOT YOU'RE SAYING. SO SO WE'RE OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS WOULD BE THIS LITTLE AREA WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS CURRENTLY KIND OF REMAINS. OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO GET REDONE. OKAY, SO THERE'S SOME GRASS AREA BETWEEN AS LIKE A BUFFER, CORRECT? RIGHT. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. MR. KELLY, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DONATO? ALL RIGHT. THERE BEING NONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. WE OUR TEAM REALLY TRIED A LOT WITH DUE DILIGENCE HERE FOR A LONG TIME, TO TRY AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT REALLY FIT WITHIN THE STREETSCAPE OF PETERSON PLACE IS A BEAUTIFUL STREET, AND THIS HOME IS REALLY OUT OF CHARACTER, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE. AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN DEALT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULT HAND HERE WITH THE VERY SIGNIFICANT UNDERSIZED LOT AREA, AS WELL AS THE LOT WIDTH. AND SO WITH THAT, WE TRIED TO BE THOUGHTFUL WITH THE DESIGN HERE TO CREATE AN AREA WHICH THEY CAN HOPEFULLY AGE IN PLACE. AND I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE BOARD THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL REFERENCES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP'S MASTER PLAN AND REEXAMINATION REPORTS, WHICH FAVOR THAT FAVOR ALLOWING AND PROVIDING FOR HOUSING THAT ALLOWS ITS RESIDENTS TO CONTINUE TO AGE IN PLACE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS DOES WHILE PROVIDING A MODERN LIVING STANDARD AND BRINGING THE SCALE AND MASSING AND ESTHETIC OF THIS PROPERTY INTO THE GRAND SCHEME AND SCALE OF THE REMAINDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A FAVORABLE VOTE THIS EVENING. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

BLESS YOU. ALL RIGHT, GUYS, WE'LL DO A LITTLE DISCUSSION HERE. I WORK SESSION WE DON'T NEED TO. THERE'S CLEAR HARDSHIP RIGHT ON THE LOT. I THINK WE HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO WANT TO COME IN AND BEAUTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE CRITERIA. I THINK IT

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IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL HOME ON A REALLY DIFFICULT LOT TO WORK WITH. AND YEAH, I'M VERY FAVORABLE ON IT. I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. MR. TAYLOR, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. YEAH. OKAY. QUESTION. ARE WE GOING TO ASK FOR SCREENING AROUND THE GENERATOR AND AC UNIT? THEY STIPULATE TO THAT IN THE EVENT IT WAS APPROVED. DO WE DO WE NEED THAT. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT. IF IT IF WE HAVE THE OFFICIAL MOTION THEN I'LL PUT THE STEPS ON THE RECORD. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE READ THE CONDITIONS IF YOU CAN, MISTER COUNTY. THANK YOU. THE STIPULATIONS THAT I HAVE WOULD BE TO PROVIDE SCREENING OF GENERATOR AND AC UNITS, UPDATE PLANS WITH REVISIONS TO ACCURATELY REFLECT PARTICULARLY THE SITE PLAN AND IF THE ROAD IS DISTURBED, MUST MILL FOR WIDTH AND LENGTH OF DISTURBANCE.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. KELLY? THAT'S CORRECT. MR. KELLY ANYTHING ELSE? ANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU WANT TO I SHOULD SAY PRIOR TO JUNE 20TH, 2020. JUNE 6TH, 2027, 2027. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I WOULD JUST INCLUDE THAT. THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL THE COMMENTS IN OUR REPORT. THAT'S A STANDARD CONDITION. GREAT. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MOVE THE APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AND STIPULATIONS? YES. I'D LIKE TO MOVE, MR. LOCKWOOD FIRST. DO I HAVE A SECOND, MR. SITAR? SECONDS. ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. LOCKWOOD.

YES. MR. SERNA. YES. MR. SITAR. YES. MR. TAYLOR. YES. MR. CANOVA. YES. ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS. PLEASE KNOW THAT NEIGHBORS HAVE UP TO 45 DAYS FROM THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL TO APPEAL. IN THE EVENT THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. IF YOU WERE TO HAVE ALREADY PROCEEDED WITH CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE AT YOUR OWN PERIL. SO JUST A HEADS UP ON THAT, AND WE'LL MOST LIKELY GET TO THE RESOLUTION IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S THIS IS OUTSIDE OF EVEN THAT. THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS IS OUR ATTORNEY AND HIS, HIS OFFICE WILL WILL WRITE A RESOLUTION THAT WILL READ INTO MEMORIALIZATION AT THIS MEETING. THERE PEOPLE HAVE FROM 45 DAYS AFTER THAT TIME TO STILL APPEAL THE PROJECT. I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT IF YOU WERE TO PROCEED, IT WOULD BE AT YOUR OWN RISK. BUT THEN THAT 45 DAY WINDOW, I'M SURE MISS BERARDO WILL GIVE YOU THE LOWDOWN. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. BERARDO. AND HEY, GOOD LUCK GUYS. REALLY BEAUTIFUL HOME. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD NIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME THREE MONTHS TO DO THE PLANS. THAT'S THE SAFETY PRECAUTION. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, GUYS, MOTION. MOTION TO ADJOURN. YEAH. I MEAN DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?

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I COULD TAKE A TENNER OF ALL YOUR GUYS FACES. I KNEW YOU WERE ALL IN APPROVAL OF IT. IT

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