Sep 16, 2026 Board of Adjustment

[I. CHAIRMAN’S OPENING STATEMENT, ROLL CALL, FLAG SALUTE]

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PUBLIC WORK SESSION MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAD BEEN PROVIDED BY PUBLICATIONS IN THE RIDGEWOOD NEWS, AND THE RECORD COPIES OF THE AGENDA HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO THE TOWNSHIP CLERK AND POSTED ON THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING BULLETIN BOARD. THIS MEETING IS ALSO BEING RECORDED AND STREAMED ON THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH LIVE VIDEO PAGE. WE'RE GOING TO DO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, SO LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. MR. CALLEJON HERE. MR. KASPARIAN HERE, MR. CORNY HERE, MR. LOCKWOOD HERE, MR. MOLFETTA, MR. SERNA HERE, MR. SARTORI, MR. TAYLOR HERE. MR. CANOVA. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA. NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF BILLS. THERE. THERE ARE NO BILLS TO

[III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[IV. RESOLUTION FOR MEMORIALIZATION]

JANINE ORSINI OKAY, ANYBODY HAS ANYBODY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I SPOKE TO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT WHO NOTED ON PAGE THREE, ITEM FIVE, THE TESTIMONY OF JOSEPH DONATO. I HAD INDICATED IN MY RESOLUTION THAT THE BASEMENT WOULD BE USED FOR STORAGE ONLY. SHE CONTACTED ME AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY NOTES SAID. BUT SHE SAID SHE BELIEVES THAT THAT WAS KIND OF A MIX UP IN TESTIMONY, OR AT LEAST MY RECOLLECTION OF IT, THAT THE BASEMENT IS GOING TO BE A BASEMENT AND MAY IN FACT, ONE DAY BE FINISHED, AND THAT THE STORAGE ONLY WAS THE PREVIOUS BASEMENT OR WHAT'S IN EXISTENCE NOW BEFORE IT'LL BE DEMOLISHED. SO SHE SUGGESTED THAT IF WE REMOVED THAT ONE LINE, THE BASEMENT WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE ONLY. THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. SO I JUST WANTED TO RAISE IT TO THE BOARD. IF ANYBODY HAD ANY RECOLLECTION. I HAD NO OTHER RECOLLECTION OTHER THAN I WROTE THAT DOWN. AND THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW HOME, SO I PRESUME IT WOULDN'T BE FOR STORAGE. ONLY SOMETIMES WE PUT IT IN IF THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT IT WON'T BE USED AS AN APARTMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION. SO IF THE BOARD HAS NO OBJECTION, I'LL JUST STRIKE NUMBER FIVE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS. YES.

DID YOU SAY THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY IT WAS THE RESOLUTION WAS OKAY. WHEN DID WE START SENDING OUR RESOLUTIONS TO APPLICANTS. ATTORNEY FOR NOT APPLICANT OKAY. BUT EVEN IN THAT CASE, WELL THERE ARE TIMES THAT I AS A COURTESY, I ALWAYS SEND THE RESOLUTION. NOT EVERY BOARD ATTORNEY DOES THAT. I DO, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I WANT TO BE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THE SPELLING IS CORRECT, BUT TESTIMONY IS ACCURATE BECAUSE SOMEDAY LIKE THIS, IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR STORAGE ONLY AND THE APPLICANT GOES TO FINISH THE BASEMENT AND THEN WANTS TO PUT A TV DOWN THERE, THE CODE OFFICIAL MAY READ IT AS THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FOR STORAGE. SO I OFTEN AND THERE ARE TIMES THAT I WON'T AGREE TO CHANGES, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LEGITIMATE COMMENT THAT SHE BROUGHT UP. I, I WAS NOT HERE FOR THE ACTUAL HEARING. SO I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP. I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING GETTING APPROVAL FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO US. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS THIS IN A FLOOD ZONE? OH, NO. NO. OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. BECAUSE IF IT WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE STORAGE OR YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THAT WAS UNLIVABLE.

YEAH. ANYWAY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT. NOR WE HEAR ANYTHING. THANK YOU. BUT THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. GO AHEAD. I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF US LIMITING TO STORAGE ONLY I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING UP, FRANKLY. OKAY, I DON'T RECALL. I HAD TO EXCUSE MYSELF TO THAT.

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AND THEN THAT'LL BE THE ONE THAT'LL BE IN THE FILE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE CAN MOVE THIS TONIGHT. OKAY. IS THERE A MEMBER THAT WANTS TO MOVE THIS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. I'LL MOTION TO MOVE IT WITH THE AMENDMENT STRICKEN. OKAY. SO IT'S MR. TAYLOR MOTION AND MR. SERNA SECOND. OKAY. SO ROLL CALL, VOTE. MR. KASPARIAN. I WAS EXCUSED FROM THAT APPLICATION.

SORRY. MR. LOCKWOOD. YES. MR. SERNA. YES. MR. CARTER, I'M SORRY, MR. TAYLOR. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT'S BEEN PASSED ON TO OUR NEXT RESOLUTION. THIS IS DOCKET 261622. I DAN PACKAGING LIMITED. SO I THINK YOU ALL RECALL THIS. I THINK IT WAS OUR LAST MEETING.

WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE USE FIT INTO THE ZONE THAT IT WAS HERE FOR. AND THEN WE, WE HAD A VOTE AND WE DETERMINED THAT IT DID MEET THE CRITERIA.

SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS RESOLUTION AS IT'S WRITTEN. NO. ANYBODY DOWN HERE. OKAY. OKAY. ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE MOVE THIS. I'LL MOVE THE MINUTES. THE RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION. I'M SORRY. YES. MR. KASPARIAN TO MOTION TO MOVE IT. I'LL SECOND AND MR. TAYLOR SECOND. OKAY, SO LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. MR. KASPARIAN. YES. MR. LOCKWOOD.

YES. MR. TAYLOR? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT'S PASSED. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO WE HAVE 15 MINUTES FOR ANY ITEMS THAT THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SO ANY OTHER OPEN QUESTIONS. SO NOW'S THE OPPORTUNITY. IF ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SO SEEING NONE, WE'LL

[VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. NICE TO HAVE YOU. SO I WANT TO JUST DO A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO ONE, ONE ITEM I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEARED IS ABOUT HOW MANY MEMBERS YOU'RE ENTITLED TO AND WHAT IS A QUORUM AND HOW MANY VOTES DO YOU NEED TO PASS. OKAY, SO MAYBE MR. CONTI, YOU CAN GO OVER THOSE. AND JUST FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR OURSELVES, BECAUSE, OH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'M SORRY. THERE WERE THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT THAT WERE NOT HERE AT YOUR PREVIOUS HEARING THAT HAVE READ OR THAT HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO AND THEY'VE SIGNED THE AFFIDAVITS. SO THIS IS MR. SERNA AND MR. CARNEY. SO WE HAVE THOSE, AND WE'RE GOING TO ENTER THOSE INTO THE RECORD. MUCH APPRECIATED. OKAY. SO AS AS WE'LL TELL YOU IN A MINUTE, WE'VE DONE A DECENT AMOUNT OF REDESIGN BASED ON THE BOARD'S COMMENTS. OKAY. SO IT'S ALMOST A NECESSARY THEY'LL GET A FULL REVIEW. THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT. GREAT, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO MAYBE WE CAN JUST HAVE MR. CONTI JUST JUST ANSWER THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS SO WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND, WHERE LEVEL SET WITH WHAT WE EXPECT. SO WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE OF SEVEN COUNCILS ENTITLED TO ALL SEVEN MEMBERS. IF YOU WANTED TO PROCEED TO A VOTE THIS EVENING. IN FACT, IF YOU WANTED TO NOT PROCEED AT ALL, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT SEVEN MEMBERS, BUT THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. I SPOKE TO HIM EARLIER TODAY. I THINK YOU'LL PUT ON THE RECORD HOW HE WANTS TO PROCEED, AND THEN HE COULD DECIDE IF HE WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO GO TO A VOTE AT THE END OF HIS TESTIMONY THIS EVENING, OR MAYBE NOT. THAT'LL BE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE. SO, COUNCIL, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? YOU'RE WILLING TO PROCEED THIS EVENING? YEAH, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT. WE'D LIKE TO PROCEED THIS EVENING. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT SIX MEMBERS. AND THEN AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF TESTIMONY, THEN YOU CAN DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR REQUEST IS OF THE BOARD WHETHER TO VOTE OR NOT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND BECAUSE THERE IS A D VARIANCE, THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VOTES THAT ARE REQUIRED, CORRECT? FIVE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND OKAY, SO LET ME JUST MAKE

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OKAY, SO HE'S YOUR ACOUSTICS ENGINEER. OKAY. RIGHT. WE HAVE KATE KELLER, WHO IS OUR PLANNER PROFESSIONAL. OKAY, SO THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION. WHO IS YOUR PLANNER? SO KATE KELLER, OKAY, THAT NOW, ONE OTHER ITEM IS THAT WE DID HAVE WE HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN THE PAST WITH MEMBERS NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR THE TESTIMONY WHEN THEY GO AND WATCH THE VIDEO. SO WE DO OFTEN REMIND PEOPLE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL SPEAKING CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONES, SUCH THAT ANYBODY HAS TO GO BACK AND WATCH THIS. THEY CAN CLEARLY HEAR TESTIMONY. OKAY, SO THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY WITNESSES, MEMBERS, PROFESSIONALS, ETC. SO I SUGGESTED THAT YOU LEAVE THE MICROPHONE TWO INCHES AWAY FROM WHERE YOU'RE SPEAKING. SO REALLY BRING IT IN CLOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE COVER EVERYTHING.

WE'RE WE'RE GOOD. SO I'LL TURN IT I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. MR. OH, I'M SORRY, MR. CARNEY, ALONG WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE MICROPHONE, I WILL CAUTION ALL BOARD MEMBERS WHEN THEY START RUSTLING PAPERS WHILE PEOPLE ARE TALKING. IT OVERLAPS AND YOU CANNOT HEAR THE SPEAKER AT THAT POINT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ALL REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT, TURN THE MICROPHONE OFF OR I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT THESE ON MUTE. BUT WHEN WE MUTE IT, IT WILL MUTE. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM IN LISTENING, RIGHT. AND I ACTUALLY HEARD FIREWORKS INSTEAD OF FIRE LOG ON ONE OF THE THINGS AND THAT JUMPED ME TO ATTENTION VERY QUICKLY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS FIRE LOG. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO GET YOU STARTLED, MR. CARNEY. NOT FIREWORKS, NEITHER MADE NOR SET OFF. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CARNEY. SORRY. WE CAN STIPULATE THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MR. BROTMAN. I TURN IT OVER TO YOU. GOOD EVENING. ALL AGAIN. MY NAME IS AARON BROTMAN WITH COLE SHOTS. I HAVE MY FIRST OFF, MY ENGINEER BILL VOTE, WHO HAS BEEN SWORN. BUT HE CAN BE SWORN AGAIN IF MR. CONTI WOULD LIKE KNOW YOU'RE UNDER OATH. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE US THROUGH THE THE SITE HERE AS IT IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE DID LAST TIME. THAT'S NOT CHANGING. AND THEN SORT OF DESCRIBE HOW WE ARE LAYING OUT THE SITE NOW BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AND TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS. SURE. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE FIRST EXHIBIT I HAVE UP HERE. THIS IS PREVIOUSLY MARKED AS A1. THIS IS THE AERIAL EXHIBIT OF THE EXISTING SITE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. OUR AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WE HAD THE CONFIGURATION. I'M JUST GOING TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. WE HAD THE CONFIGURATION WHERE WE HAD THE KILN AND THE PROCESSING EQUIPMENT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE, AND WE HAD THE PARKING THAT WAS IN BETWEEN THOSE EQUIPMENT AND THE EXISTING BUILDING. AND THEN WE HAD OUR STORAGE SHED THAT WAS FARTHER TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT WE HAVE CHANGED IS I'M JUST GOING TO GO TO AN UPDATED EXHIBIT. NOW, THIS WAS PART OF OUR NEW APPLICATION PACKAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE IT MARKED SEPARATELY. WELL, IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD, BUT IF WE COULD AT LEAST PUT ON THE RECORD WHO PREPARED IT AND THE DATE THIS WAY. SURE. IT'S IT'S PREPARED BY MY OFFICE. IT'S JUST A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN. IT HAS THE SAME REVISION THREE DATED NINE THREE, 2026. SO THIS IS JUST A COLORIZED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN. AND.

BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE SLID THE EQUIPMENT CLOSER TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE ON THE PROPERTY BY APPROXIMATELY 20FT. AND THEN WE MIRRORED THE PARKING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. WE ALSO ROTATED THE SHED CLOSER TO THE NORTHEASTERN PROPERTY LINE. WE DID THIS TO FACILITATE THE TRUCK OPERATION, DELIVERIES AND PICKUP, KEEPING THE PARKING

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SO THERE'S NO SEPARATION THERE. AGAIN, IT'S JUST HELPING WITH OUR DELIVERY AND PICKUP. ON THE SITE PLANS. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I DON'T KNOW IF THESE NEED TO BE MARKED, BUT THESE ARE THE SAME PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE AMENDED UPDATED APPLICATION.

SAME REVISION THREE DATED NINE TWO 2026. IF YOU GO TO THE TRUCK TURNING PLANS. YOU CAN SEE THE ILLUSTRATION OF THE TRUCK DELIVERY. SO THIS WOULD BE THE TRUCKS COMING INTO THE SITE OR INGRESS, THEIR ABILITY TO BACK UP INTO THOSE PARKING SPACES. WE ELONGATED THOSE PARKING SPACES TO 24FT LONG. WHERE 18 IS IS MORE TYPICAL TO HELP FACILITATE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PICKUP TRUCKS ARE OVERSIZE PICKUP TRUCKS. WE DID ILLUSTRATE SOME OF THE DELIVERY AND PICKUP VEHICLES. YOU HAVE A FORD F 750. YOU ALSO WOULD HAVE A WHAT I WOULD REFER TO AS MORE OF LIKE A LANDSCAPING VEHICLE TYPE TRUCK. THESE ARE THESE ARE SMALL PICKUPS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR STANDARD FORD. F 450. AND THEN WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'LL JUST FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE, WHICH SHOWS THE EGRESS FROM THOSE PARKING SPACES. SO YOU CAN SEE WE CAN, WE CAN PRETTY MUCH PULL RIGHT OUT OF THOSE SPACES AND LEAVE THE SITE AS WELL. SO IT JUST GAVE US A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO MANEUVER WITHIN THE PROPERTY AND STAY WITHIN THAT PROPOSED ACCESS DRIVEWAY AND, AND, AND GRAVEL AREA. ANOTHER ADVANTAGE OF THAT CHANGE IS THAT IT PUTS THE DRIVEWAY NEAR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY PARKING LOT AS WELL, RIGHT? THE PARKING LOT NEAR THE PARKING LOT. CORRECT. SO IT, IT PUSHES THAT PARKING FROM BASICALLY BEHIND THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF US. IT PUSHES IT SO THAT WE'RE LINED UP WITH THEIR PARKING, WHICH IS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ADJACENT TO MOUNTAIN VIEW AVENUE, MOUNTAINSIDE AVENUE. SORRY. SO YES, WE REALLY JUST MIRRORED IT. IT'S IT'S ALL THE SAME EQUIPMENT. WE JUST PLACED IT IN IN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AREAS. SORRY, COULD YOU JUST HIGHLIGHT HIGHLIGHT AGAIN WHERE THAT PARKING IS JUST POINTED OUT ON? IT'S, IT'S THE TWO SPACES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING. ONE IS ADA ACCESSIBLE AND THE OTHER IS A STANDARD SPACE. THEY'RE JUST OVERSIZE AS FAR AS LENGTH AND WHERE THE NEIGHBORS IS. NEIGHBORS PARKING LOT. THIS IS THE NEIGHBOR'S PARKING LOT IS IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH OF US. SO IF I, IF I WENT BACK TO AN AERIAL. I GOT IT. THANK YOU. SO WE ARE PARKING SPACES WOULD BE DIRECTLY LINED UP WITH THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL PARKING AREA DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF US. AND THEN OUR EQUIPMENT WOULD BE ALONGSIDE THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING. AND AGAIN, WE WE STILL ARE OFFERING THE SAME BUFFERING WITH THE SIX FOOT HIGH SOLID WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE AND THE THE STACKED ROW OF EVERGREENS ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE. SO ALL OF THAT HAS STAYED THE SAME. AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM OUR SOUND EXPERT. WE DID SUBMIT A REPORT REGARDING THE PROOFS THAT THAT WE MEET THE THE DECIBEL READINGS PER THE STATE. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR,

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ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE VARIANT? OH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ON THE I THINK BOTH REPORTS ABOUT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE STORAGE AREAS. NOT THE SHED. THE SHED BASKETS, THE BASKETS.

WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING THE SAME AMOUNT OF BASKETS OR SIX BASKETS THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE SITE. THE THE THE KILM. THAT CAN THAT CAN HOLD, I BELIEVE IT'S. 11 I THINK THERE'S 11 CORDS THAT CAN FIT IN THAT KILN, BUT THOSE. THOSE BASKETS WOULD STACK INSIDE THAT KILN, AS I TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY. AND THEN ONCE IT'S DRIED, WE'LL MOVE THE WOOD TO THE STORAGE SHED AND THEN IT WOULD BE READY FOR PICKUP. THE SHED IS REALLY TO JUST KEEP THE WOOD OUT OF THE ELEMENTS. IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AFTER IT'S DRIED, WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GET WET AGAIN. I'LL LET BRANDON TALK ABOUT THE PARTICULARS OF THAT ASPECT OF IT. YOU WANT TO WALK US THROUGH THE VARIANCES JUST SO WE HAVE THEM FOR THE RECORD AS THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED. SORRY. WAS THERE. SURE. SO WE WE HAVE OUR THE MINIMUM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACK IS FIVE FEET. AS I TESTIFIED, WE'RE AT ZERO. WE'RE WE PUSHED THE SHED RIGHT TO THE THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE ALSO HAVE A MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK TO. THE FRONT YARD IS 30FT. WE WERE ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE BEFORE. WE ARE LESS THAN 30FT AT 22.91. AND THE MAXIMUM FENCE HEIGHT IN THE FRONT YARD IS SIX FEET. I'M SORRY, IS FOUR FOOT. WE ARE PRESENTING OR PROPOSING SIX FOOT. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALONG OUR NEIGHBORING SIDE WITH THE COMMERCIAL LOT TO OUR SOUTH. THAT'S SORRY. THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT FENCE THAT I BELIEVE THAT FENCE IS COMPLIANT. IT'S THE FENCE. THAT'S THE FRONT YARD OF THE SIDE YARD TO THE HOUSE. THAT'S TECHNICALLY A FRONT YARD THAT WAS PUT IN. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO RECOVER TO CURE THAT ISSUE. OKAY. YES. CORRECT. IT WILL BE A SIX FOOT FENCE PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT CORRECT. CORRECT. IT IS. IT IS STILL THE WAY I READ IT IS TO JUST THAT IT'S STILL IN THE FRONT YARD. IT IS TECHNICALLY A FRONT YARD FENCE. IT STILL IS A FRONT YARD. SO THAT'S THAT'S ANY LAND BETWEEN THE THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND THE, AND THE BUILDING LINE OF THE HOUSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO IT COULD BE BOTH, BUT I, I, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S FOR OUR PROPOSED FENCE AS WELL. MR. VOIGT JUST SO YOU COULD SHOW IT ON THE PLAN AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE FRONT CORNER OF THE CONTIGUOUS LOTS IS THE FRONT YARD YOU'RE REFERENCING RIGHT NOW, THE FRONT. WELL, WE HAVE REALLY THREE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY IS THE FRONT YARD. SO ANYTHING FROM THE MOUNTAIN SIDE AVENUE FRONT YARD TO THE HOUSE IS THE FRONT YARD. AND THEN LIKEWISE ANYTHING FROM THE OFF RAMP FRONT YARD TO THE HOUSE'S FRONT YARD. AND THEN AGAIN, ANYTHING FROM THE ROUTE 17 FRONT YARD TO THE HOUSE IS ALSO FRONT YARD. SO I HAVE I TECHNICALLY HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS. THE SIDE YARD WOULD BE TO OUR NEIGHBORING PARCEL. THAT'S THAT'S TO THE SOUTH. AND THE SIDE YARD SIX FOOT PERMITTED. IT IS. OKAY. SO WHERE'S THE FOUR FOOT VARIANCE FOR FRONT YARD. SO THE THE FOUR FOOT. WELL THE SIX FOOT FENCE CONNECTS THE HOUSE TO THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE AROUND THE EXISTING SIDE YARD OF THE HOUSE. SO IF YOU GO PLAN SOUTH FROM THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A OH, THAT'S THE PIECE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YES. THIS, THIS, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIX FOOT FENCE THAT GOES TOWARD FROM THE HOUSE TO

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BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT ENTIRETY OF THAT FENCE IS TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING. THEN ONCE WE GET TO THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, WE REDUCE IT TO A FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE. SO IT'S FOUR FOOT ALONG THE ACTUAL FRONTAGE ALONG MOUNTAINSIDE AVENUE. AND THAT TIES INTO THE EXISTING FENCING ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S THIS L-SHAPE FENCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF. THERE WERE ALSO COMMENTS ABOUT A BUFFER ZONE ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL FURTHER DOWN. FURTHER PLAN SOUTH. BOTH THE ENGINEER AND PLANNER POINTED OUT THE BUFFERS. THE.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S IT'S THE IT'S THE BUFFER FOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT. THAT IS BECAUSE THE. DUE TO THE IRREGULAR SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY, THE L-SHAPED PROPERTY. WE. ABUT ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE BEYOND OR TO THE SOUTH OF OUR ADJACENT OFFICE NEIGHBOR.

SO ALL OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH THAT ABUT THEY'RE THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTIES ABUT OUR PROPERTY. SO IT'S BECAUSE OF THE IRREGULAR SHAPE THAT I EXPLAINED LAST HEARING THAT WE'RE IN THIS VARIANT SITUATION ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THIS, THE THE TAIL SHAPE WHERE THE EXISTING BILLBOARD WAS, I WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR THAT VARIANCE.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD LISTED ON THE SITE PLANS. I'M OBVIOUSLY HAPPY TO. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS? OKAY, LET'S LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD. MR. KASPARIAN. MR. VOIGT, THE BINS DIAGRAMMATICALLY ASSESSING A ROUGHLY 7 TO 8FT IN LENGTH BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING LONGER THAN YOUR 24 FOOT PARKING AREA, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S ROUGHLY THE WHAT SIZE OF THE BINS? APPROXIMATE? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A I, I BELIEVE I HAVE A DETAIL HERE. THERE ARE FOUR BY EIGHT. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT? THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN FOUR FOOT HIGH. SO A 4X4 FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT BY FOUR FOOT HIGH. THAT'S A THAT'S ONE QUART OF WOOD. AND THEN THEY STACK IN THE KILN. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. DO YOU SEE OR DOES DOES YOUR APPLICANT, YOUR THE OWNER, DO THEY SEE BUSINESS GROWTH OF ADDITIONAL KILNS OR STORAGE SHEDS? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO. OKAY. I ALSO BELIEVE THE SITE IS LIMITED TO TO WHAT YOU ARE, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD. YOU HAVE ONE OR MULTIPLE LIFTS OR LOADERS, FORKLIFTS OR LOADER UNITS RUNNING. THERE WILL BE. THE APPLICANT CAN DESCRIBE THE PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES. OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY PROCEDURE. PROCEDURE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE MAX SIZE OF THE TRUCKS? I KNOW DIAGRAMMATICALLY I KNOW PICTURE WISE YOU SHOWED THEM HERE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? THE CONTAINER TRUCK. SO THE THE LARGEST ONE THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE, IT'S IT'S ROUGHLY 26 SIX FEET IN LENGTH. AND THAT THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE OF THE BED OF THE TRAILER. AND IT WOULD BE A STANDARD EIGHT FOOT WIDE. AND THE LOWER PICTURE IN THE DUMPING POSITION, WHAT WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THE HEIGHT OF THE TOP OF THE DUMPSTER IN THAT POSITION? THE THE TOP I, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY YOU'RE DEFINITELY LESS THAN 20FT. I'D SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE MID TEENS, 15FT ROUGHLY. I, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. ANOTHER PROBABLY FOR OPERATIONS, OPERATIONS, OPERATIONS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. MR. VOIGT THE REST WILL BE OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. NO QUESTIONS DOWN HERE. MR. JOHN. YEAH, YOU. THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE CHAIN LINK.

NO, IT'S A SOLID WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE. AND AGAIN, THAT CHAIN LINK. OKAY. GOTCHA. YES. IT'S

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YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE A FENCE? NO. THAT OUT OUT ALONG THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY, SO THERE'S AN EXISTING SIX FOOT FENCE THAT RUNS FROM THE HOUSE SOUTH, AND THEN A PROPOSED SIX FOOT SOLID WOODEN FENCE WILL CONTINUE ALONG THE WESTERLY OR IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS. ONCE IT HITS THAT INTERSECTION OF THE DRIVEWAY, IT'LL DROP FROM A SIX FOOT HIGH SOLID FENCE TO A FOUR FOOT HIGH CHAIN LINK FENCE, AND THEN THAT WILL. FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE WILL THEN CONTINUE AROUND THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER OF THE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL FACING THE ROADWAY AND NO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. WHAT ABOUT ON THE ON THE 17 SIDE? IS THAT ALSO A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE? YES. THIS IS THE EXISTING SIX FOOT HIGH WOOD PRIVACY FENCE THAT GOES TOWARDS 17. RIGHT. THAT INCLUDES THE SIDE YARD CORRECT. OF THE OF THE RESIDENCE. THAT'S CORRECT.

ALONG THE 17 OR THIS ONE THAT'S GOING WHERE'S THIS. WHERE'S THE YOU MEAN ALONG ROUTE 17 ITSELF ON THE VERY BACK PROPERTY LINE. THAT'LL BE THE SIDE YARD. THE SIDE YARD WOULD BE THE ADJACENT TO 17 PARALLEL TO 17 RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. PLAN EAST. YEAH. KIND OF LIKE SOUTHEAST OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. WHERE'S THE NORTH. YEAH. SO EAST. YES. IS THE TRAPEZOID TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE HOUSE WOOD FENCE AS WELL. YES. THAT'S EXISTING WOOD FENCE THAT'S BEEN THERE. IS IT EXISTING SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE ALONG 17. I COULDN'T TELL WHAT THE VEGETATION. YEAH. YOU'RE SAYING ALONG THE REAR OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. NO NO WE WE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PHYSICAL FENCE ON OUR PROPERTY, THE RESIDENCE OR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING MAY HAVE FENCES ON THEIR PROPERTY. NO, BILL, HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE WOOD FENCE TYPICAL ON OUR PROPERTY.

YES. THIS ONE IS SIX FEET. THERE'S A POST THERE. YEAH. GOING NORTH FROM THERE. OKAY.

YES. I'M SORRY. YES. THAT'S THAT'S ALL EXISTING FENCE THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN. THAT RUNS ALONG 17 AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT. AS YOU'RE PLANNING TO RUN IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE. NO. SO JUST WHERE IT EXISTS TODAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION. I'M SORRY. ONE YOU HAVE ACTUALLY DOING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY INTERFERE WITH THE EASEMENT FOR THE BILLBOARD ONLY. 17 I WAS JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION. REMEMBER, I LISTENED TO THE TAPES, I LISTENED INTENTLY. SO I HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS HERE AND THERE. I'M GOING TO TRY TO FILL IN WITHOUT WASTING ANY OF YOUR PEOPLE'S TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD, YOU HAD INFERRED THE OFFICE BUILDING TO YOUR SOUTH, CORRECT? COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE SIZE BUILDING? THAT IS BECAUSE THE INFERENCE IS IT'S A STEEL STRUCTURED OFFICE BUILDING OF SOME TYPE. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAW THERE. THE THE THE BUILDING DIRECTLY. SO I'M BACK TO THE AERIAL IMAGE. THIS IS EXHIBIT A ONE. SO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, IT'S THIS, I WOULD CALL IT A SQUARE SHAPED TWO STORY BUILDING, THE TWO STORY WOODEN HOUSE THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED TO AN OFFICE.

YES. CONVERTED TO AN OFFICE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE SOUNDPROOFING OF HOUSE. IT'S NOT INFERRED. OFFICE BUILDING, SOUNDPROOF BUILDING, OR YOUR INFERENCE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD TO CLARIFY IT ON THE RECORD. SO AND THEN. ON THE WOOD MOVEMENT, I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE TESTIFY TO THAT, BUT A COURT OF WOOD WEIGHS ANYWHERE FROM 2000 TO 4000 POUNDS, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE UP TO 11 IN THE KILN. HOW ARE THE WOOD PALLETS BEING MOVED? HOW ARE THESE WOOD BASKETS BEING MOVED? YES, WE'LL HAVE A WE'LL HAVE A LOADER, A STEER SKID THAT WILL MOVE THOSE BASKETS AROUND. IT'S A MOTORIZED STEER SKID LIKE A FORKLIFT OR A MANUAL. IT'S A FORKLIFT. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT

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LEGAL OPERATIONS WITHIN MLAWA PRETTY VARIED GIVEN OUR SIZE TOWN. SO IN ALL FAIRNESS, IF ARE YOU LOOKING AT DAWN TO DUSK OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT. IF THE BOARD WAS TO LOOK AT FAVORABLY APPROVING, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY CONSTRAINTS ON SAYING FROM 8 TO 5? THAT'S A QUESTION, MR. BRODERICK. HE CAN. OKAY, SO BUT THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE HOUSE ITSELF THAT'S THERE IS GOING TO REMAIN. YES, MOSTLY THERE'S PART OF IT THAT EXTENDED BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTHEAST THERE. AND THAT'S THE CONVERTED TO OFFICE. IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWED. IT'S GOING TO BE VACATED. SO WHAT WILL BE IN THAT BUILDING? MOSTLY, I THINK THE BATHROOM FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING ON SITE, OKAY, WILL BE VACANT BECAUSE IN THE, THE, THE RECORDING, THEY SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR OFFICE.

THE RESIDENCE WILL BE VACATED AND THEY MAY USE FOR SOME FILES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

EVENTUALLY MAYBE OFFICE FOR THE THE WORK, BUT MOSTLY USED FOR FACILITIES FOR THE GUYS WORKING ON SITE. IT'S NOT AN OFFICE HEAVY, NOT NOT A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND OFFICE NEEDED AT THE SITE, BUT THINGS MAY BE STORED THERE. OKAY. AND I'M SURE MORE WILL COME UP AS WE GO BASED UPON ALL THE WHAT I'D HEARD AND MISSED. BUT THANK YOU. IT'LL BE PART OF. IT WILL BE PART OF THE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE, NOT RESIDENTIAL. WELL, I THINK IT'S CONSTRAINED BECAUSE ONCE YOU'RE IN A B 40, I BELIEVE THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL ALLOWED. AND I BELIEVE SOMEBODY HAD BEEN LIVING IN THAT LOT WHEN I WALKED IN TODAY AND THEY WERE THERE, IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEBODY WAS. THAT'S FINE. YOU GUYS WILL FIGURE ALL OF THAT OUT. SO SHOULD THIS BOARD GRANT APPROVAL, THEY WILL BE THEY WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CARNEY. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS THE I'M JUST JUST WANTED YOU TO TESTIFY ABOUT SAFETY AND SECURITY. SO YOU HAVE A FENCE? IS THIS LOCKED UP OFF HOURS? AND MY MY PERSONAL CONCERN IS MAKE SURE NO KIDS GET IN THERE OR ANYBODY GETS IN THERE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY COULD GET HURT OR DAMAGE SOMETHING. YES. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT YES, EVERYTHING WILL BE SECURED, LOCKED, NON-OPERATIONAL AFTER HOURS. OKAY, OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TRUCKS.

SO MY RECOLLECTION WHEN WE HAD THIS LAST HEARING WAS THERE WAS TESTIMONY THAT THE TRUCKS WERE JUST GOING TO BE STANDARD PICKUP TRUCKS. SO IS THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING PICTURES OF THE TRUCKS? YES. I DIDN'T HAVE PICTURES AT THE LAST AT THE LAST GO AROUND. BUT WE WE ALWAYS HAD THE F 450. AND WE HAD TESTIFIED THAT A SPRINTER TYPE SIZE VEHICLES WOULD BE ACCESSING THE SITE. SO THE THESE OTHER VEHICLES, THESE THESE WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL LARGER LANDSCAPE DUMP TRUCKS ARE SIMILAR SIZE TO THE SPRINTER VEHICLE. WHEN YOU SAY SPRINTER, YOU MEAN LIKE A VAN, A SPRINTER VAN. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO MY, MY PERSONAL RECOLLECTION WAS I DIDN'T ENVISION THESE TYPES OF TRUCKS. SO SO THE TESTIMONY IS, IS DIFFERENT. YES. WE WANT IT TO BE TRANSPARENT ON THE TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT WERE COMING TO THE PROPERTY. I THINK IT WAS IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT OUR LAST HEARING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD BROUGHT VERY LARGE VEHICLES TO THE TO THE PROPERTY, AND WE WANTED TO SHOW TO THE BOARD AND TO THE PUBLIC EXACTLY WHAT VEHICLES WE PROPOSE TO ACCESS THE SITE, TO DROP OFF THE PRECUT ROUNDS OR LOGS FOR SPLITTING. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, FILLING UP A.

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THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. LET'S TALK TO I. GO AHEAD, MR. CARNEY. IF YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS, I'LL WANT TO FOLLOW UP THAT QUESTION. GO AHEAD ON WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE RAW LOG BEING BROUGHT BY THE LARGER SIZE DUMP TRUCKS? IT'S SO WE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANY WOOD ON THE SITE. SO THERE'S NO CHAINSAWS, THERE'S NO SAWDUST.

WE'RE JUST SPLITTING THE THE ROUNDS THAT COME. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE NO LONGER THAN FOUR FOOT IN HEIGHT AND APPROXIMATE DIAMETER. THEY'RE THEY'RE LIKELY GOING TO BE AROUND THREE FOOT IN DIAMETER, MAYBE SMALLER, BUT I'D SAY PLUS OR -THREE FOOT. AND THE APPLICANT CAN. BRANDON CAN. MR. BRODERICK CAN DESCRIBE THEM BETTER. FINE. THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE IT'S COMMON TO SEE TREES CUT IN 8 FOOT TO 10 FOOT LOG SECTIONS BEING BROUGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE INFERRING. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLEARED THAT UP. SEEMS TO ME MOST FIRE LOGS ARE THREE FOOT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 24 AND 48, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR. RIGHT. THESE WILL, THESE WILL. SO WE'LL HEAR THAT TESTIMONY. YES, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING ALL OF THAT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT CLARIFICATION. CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. LONG LOGS THAT LIKE FOR A FENCE. EXACTLY. NO, NO NO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE PROFESSIONALS, MISS RUSSELL, IF YOU WANT TO. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS? I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS, BUT I JUST WANT TO RAISE A MATTER THAT I'VE HEARD FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT, WHICH IS THAT THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF FORKLIFT. VEHICLE EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE THAT'S GOING IF THAT IS STORED ON SITE.

NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER OUTDOOR STORAGE USE THAT IS SUBJECT. IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE. SO IT'S A IT'S ALLOWED, BUT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS LAID OUT IN 24-3.6A5, WHICH INCLUDES. STUFF RELATED TO FLAMMABLE AND EXPLOSIVE LIQUIDS, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT NOT AN ISSUE FOR YOU. THE DEPOSIT OF WASTE, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT AN ISSUE, BUT THERE ARE FENCING AND SETBACK CONDITIONS THAT IF THAT MACHINERY WAS BEING STORED OUTSIDE, YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO. AND CONSIDERING I DON'T SEE THAT SHOWN ON THE PLANS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS. YOU THINK NOTED IN OUR REPORT THAT WE CONSIDER THIS OUTDOOR STORAGE ONE OF THE. ONE OF THE REQUIRED SETBACKS IS THAT IT'S NOT TO. BUT A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND IT DOES ABUT A RESIDENTIAL USE. THE PROPERTY ABUTS RESIDENTIAL USE. RIGHT. SO WE NOTED THAT.

SO JUST MAKE SURE YOUR PLANNER PROVIDES SUFFICIENT TESTIMONY ON THAT. RIGHT. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE THE WOOD STORAGE AS BEING AN OUTDOOR STORAGE. IT'S JUST THE MACHINERY OF THE FORKLIFT IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING IT TONIGHT. SO I'D LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS THAT OR YOUR PLANNER TO ADDRESS THAT. WHAT ABOUT I'M SORRY, IS THERE A QUESTION ALSO ABOUT STORAGE OF FUELS. FOR THE FORKLIFT? DOES IT REQUIRE. I BELIEVE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST HEARING THAT THAT THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS ON THE ON THE SITE. SO IF THE IF THE FORKLIFT NEEDS TO BE YOUR SKIN NEEDS TO BE FUELED. WE WILL BRING FUEL TO THE SITE.

OKAY. FOR IT. WAIT, WHAT ABOUT THE KILN? KILN IS GAS FIRED? SO THIS GAS FIRED. SO WHERE'S THAT FUEL COME FROM? IT'S GOING TO BE WILL RUN OFF THE GAS LINE. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I MISSED IN THE PRIOR TESTIMONY. SO YEAH, THERE'S TWO THE GAS FROM NATURAL GAS LINES. YES. THERE'S THERE'S GAS AND ELECTRIC OUT TO THE EQUIPMENT. MY MISTAKE. THANK YOU. KNOW, MR. KELLY, DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A FEW ITEMS. YOU HAVE A COPY OF OUR LATEST REPORT.

YOU'LL ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS? YES. OKAY. SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, YOU GUYS WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LOTS? YES, YES. YOU'LL ADD THE SHADE TREES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY. WELL, LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK THOUGH, WHERE WE CAN PUT THE SHADE TREES THAT ARE STILL OUR PROPERTY. SURE. REALLY THE, I

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YEAH, YEAH. I COULD PROBABLY DO THE MATH FOR YOU PRETTY QUICK SO YOU CAN STACK THEM TOO HIGH.

I THINK YOU CAN FIT 14 CORDS IN THERE. YOU SAID THE BASKETS ARE FOUR FEET WIDE. YES. FOUR FOOT WIDE, FOUR FOOT TALL, EIGHT FOOT LONG. ALL RIGHT. SO FOUR FOOT WIDE. IT'S 24FT IN WIDTH.

SO YOU'D FIT SIX ACROSS CORRECT? CORRECT. SO 121212. OKAY. YOU CAN I MEAN A CORD IS ALSO. YES.

LET'S LET'S STICK WITH 12. THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL GET TESTIMONY FROM ARE WE GONNA GET THE THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY TONIGHT. YES. HE'S HERE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. KELLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS. SO THIS IS JUST FOR QUESTIONS, NOT TESTIMONY. OKAY. THE HANDHELD MIC. SURE. THANK YOU. AND THEN, MR. VOIGT, MAKE SURE YOU USE THAT MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. A LITTLE TALLER. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'LL JUST HOLD IT. IS THAT BETTER? THANK YOU. SO MY NAME IS KEN LIGHTING. I OWN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. LIGHTING LAGLYDING. THANK YOU. SO, MY BUSINESS IS A I'M IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY, SO WE IT'S BASICALLY AN OFFICE THAT WE OPERATE THERE, YOU KNOW, FROM 8 TO 4 IN THE AFTERNOON. SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS WHAT SIZE IS THE FURNACE THAT'S GOING IN? I DON'T THINK WE REALLY DISCUSSED THE SIZE OF IT. IS IT LIKE A SHIPPING CONTAINER? YES. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, YES. IT'S IT'S EIGHT FOOT SIX IN WIDTH. IT'S 31FT IN LENGTH AND IT'S 11.5FT IN HEIGHT, AND IT SITS ON THE GROUND. THAT'S CORRECT. EXACTLY LIKE THIS PICTURE. CAN YOU TELL ME THE DISTANCE OF THE FURNACE TO THE SIDE OF MY BUILDING? SURE. IT'S 25FT FROM THE CLOSEST PORTION OF THE KILN TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY.

AND THE FENCE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ALONG THE SIDE OF MY PROPERTY, HOW MANY FEET FROM MY BUILDING IS THAT? IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY FOUR TO 4.5FT FROM YOUR BUILDING. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT FENCE, 4.5FT AWAY FROM MY THE WINDOWS OF MY HOUSE, YOUR YOUR EXISTING BUILDING IS BETWEEN 3.29FT AND 3.776FT FROM THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING OUR FENCE. I SHOWED IT ROUGHLY SIX INCHES TO A FOOT ON OUR SIDE OR NORTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION OF, OF WHERE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STRUCTURE IS. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHEN I LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, I'M NOT LOOKING AT A FENCE THAT'S FOUR FEET AWAY.

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MR. BRODERICK CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. WHAT TEMPERATURE WILL THE FURNACE BE OPERATED AT? SURE.

AS I TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY, IT'S IT'S BETWEEN 190 AND 240 DEGREES. AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BTUS THIS FURNACE IS? WE CAN SUBMIT THE SPECS AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, I. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT IT'S COMPARE COMPARABLE TO TO THE BTUS THAT A HOUSE WOULD USE. IS IT TEN TIMES THAT? I, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME. I'M SORRY. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THE LEVELS OF CARBON DIOXIDE OR WATER VAPOR THAT WILL BE COMING OUT OF THIS? THE THE KILN WILL MEET ALL OF THE NEW JERSEY BUILDING CODES.

WE WILL GET APPROVAL FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR BUILDING SUB CODE, FIRE, ELECTRIC AND THE LIKE. SO IT WILL BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ALL THE NEW JERSEY STATE REGULATIONS AND ALSO CARBON MONOXIDE, NITROGEN OXIDE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE DETERMINED THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE. YES. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THEY DON'T GET SWORN IN. WE JUST GIVE THEM. OKAY. SO JUST YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. SUSIE GODING, 15 HAYNES AVENUE. IF YOU COULD SPELL YOUR LAST NAME.

GODDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREW UP AT THE HOUSE NEXT TO, LIKE, TWO STRUCTURES SOUTH OF WHERE THIS IS. MY FATHER COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. HE HAD PT, SO. OKAY. YEAH. SO SPEAKING TO THE MIC AND YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO THE WITNESS. SO I DID HAVE CONCERNS CLOSER TO THE MIC. OH SORRY. I DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRUCKS. I BELIEVE AT THE LAST FEW. DO YOU HAVE YOU COULD YOU JUST GOING TO COME A TIME WHERE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE AS FAR AS YOUR OPINION, BUT DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THIS WITNESS OF HIS TESTIMONY? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

OKAY. SO THE LAST TIME I THINK IT, I THINK THEY WERE SAYING THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE MANY TRUCKS IN AND OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY. CAN WE HAVE A, AN IDEA OF HOW MANY TRUCKS WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT? BECAUSE NOW WITH THESE NEW TRUCKS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT VIEW TO WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. THAT THREE OTHER RESIDENTIAL HOMES BESIDES THE OFFICE USE. MR. RODERICK WILL TESTIFY TO THE TO HOW MANY SO YOU CAN. YEAH. YOU'LL COME UP WHEN FOR MR. BRODERICK. OKAY. I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE BEEPING OF THE BACKUP NOISE OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING IN THAT CAN.

BECAUSE THERE ARE RESIDENT THERE HOMES THERE. SO WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR TRUCKS BEEPING ALL DAY. SO THAT WOULD BE. CAN YOU TESTIFY AS TO THE TRUCKS AND THE BACKUP SIGNAL OR BEEPING AND THE FORKLIFT AS WELL AS THE FORKLIFT? THAT'S NOT ONLY WITHIN HIS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED. IF IT'S NOT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR, SINCE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS KNOWLEDGE OF OPERATIONS AT HIS OTHER FACILITY. I THINK HE'D BE MORE INCLINED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN SINCE HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER FACILITY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF POSSIBLE, LIKE IF THE AMOUNT OF WOOD STORED AT THE OTHER FACILITY IS THE SAME SO THAT WE CAN GET KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF HOW MANY TRUCKS DO COME IN AND OUT, HOW MUCH BUSINESS THERE IS AND HOW IT OPERATES, JUST TO KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA. AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BILLBOARD. I BELIEVE THAT PROPERTY IS LIKE A DIFFERENT OWNER, BUT NOW THEY'VE SUDDENLY PUT IN A NEW LIGHT, WHICH IS JUST SHINING

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THERE'S BEEN TESTIMONY, BUT THE APPLICATION IS NOT COMPLETE. OKAY. YEAH. IT JUST SUDDENLY IS SUPER BRIGHT. IN FACT, I THINK IT'S OCTOBER 8TH. DO WE. TO JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T IF THE BILLBOARD IS THERE BASED ON EASEMENT. SO WHILE WE OWN THE PROPERTY ON THE EASEMENT.

SO WHILE WE OWN THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE NO CONTROL RIGHTS OVER THE BILLBOARD OR THAT AREA. ALL WE HAVE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP THAT AREA FREE OF VEGETATION SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THE BILLBOARD FROM THE HIGHWAY, OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY PERMITTED TO THEMSELVES THAT THEY LIKE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OR CONTACT WITH THE BILLBOARD ITSELF THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE AGAINST OUR EASEMENT. SO HERE'S A QUESTION WITH THE BILLBOARD, SINCE IT'S ON A WEIRD PROPERTY, IS THERE A WAY TO MAYBE INSTALL LIKE ARBORVITAE OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES SO IT'S BLOCKED? SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT APPLICANT. SO IT'S ON THE SAME PROPERTY, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICANT BECAUSE IT'S AN EASEMENT. THAT APPLICANT IS COMING BACK HERE ON THE 7TH OF OCTOBER. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. IS THAT APPROPRIATE. ABSOLUTELY. SO EVEN THE STRIP GOING DOWN AGAINST THAT NOT WHERE THE BILLBOARD IS, BUT THE STRIP ALIGNING THE RESIDENCE IS NOT THIS PROPERTY. NO. THERE'S AN EASEMENT. SO I YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THE ENGINEER TO DESCRIBE WHERE IT IS, BUT THERE'S AN EASEMENT FOR THE, THE. YEAH. SURE. YEAH. JUST MAKE SURE. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE WITNESS. THIS PROPERTY HERE. SO JUST FOR THOSE THAT ARE MAYBE WATCHING IT ON THE AT HOME, YOU WERE INDICATING THE LINE BETWEEN THE EASEMENT PROPERTY WHERE THE BILLBOARD IS AND THE HOMES ALONG THE PROPERTY. AND THE QUESTION IS LIKE IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SPEAK INTO THE MIC, RIGHT? IF POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOW GOING TO GO. THEY'RE TRYING TO GO TO A DIGITAL. YES. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE BRIGHT ALSO IN THE AREA, WHICH IT WASN'T BEFORE. AND THAT ONE BOARD IS DIGITAL, OKAY. THE OTHER IS NOT WHOEVER OWNS THAT PROPERTY THAT BUTTS UP TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT'S AN EMBANKMENT. SO THAT LIKE RESIDENTS CAN'T REALLY PLANT ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S A HILL. YEAH. IF THERE CAN BE SOMETHING TO BLOCK THE NEW LIGHT POLLUTION COMING FROM THAT. SO THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY IS THIS APPLICANT. YEAH. OKAY, I THOUGHT SO. OKAY. SO I GUESS YOU COULD ASK THAT WHEN MR. BRODERICK COMES UP, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, I WOULD AND I WOULD ALSO DIARY THE OCTOBER 7TH DATE. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. I'LL DISCUSS MY CLIENT. BUT MY INDICATION, MY EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD BE CONSENT, WE WOULD CONSENT TO THE BILLBOARD APPLICANT INSTALLING VEGETATION THERE ON OUR PROPERTY IF THIS BOARD REQUIRES IT AS PART OF THE BILLBOARD APPLICATION. WE GET THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO MISS GETTING MY CARD. I'M GOING TO ASK HER TO WRITE HER NUMBER ON IT, AND THEN I'LL REACH OUT TO HER ABOUT THE LIGHT, AND THEN I'LL REACH OUT TO THE BILLBOARD COMPANY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT ADDRESSED. THANK YOU, MR. KELLY. WE HAVE NO PARTICULAR INTEREST IN THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY. IT JUST IS PART OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. WITH THE BOARD WANTS DONE THERE.

OKAY. BILLBOARD COMPANY WILL CONSENT TO IT. OKAY. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY. SO I THINK ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS CURRENT WITNESS. NO, BUT HE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS TO COME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AT NINE. SO YOU GOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT EXACTLY AT NINE, BUT WE'VE GOT.

SO IF DO YOU WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO NEXT. PROCEED TO ANOTHER WITNESS. YES. I'D LIKE MR. BRODERICK TO COME UP. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. OH, YEAH. YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOW. OKAY. IS IT LIKE BRANDON BRODERICK? YES. OKAY. WELCOME. MR. BRODERICK, IF YOU REMAIN STANDING, MR. BRODERICK. YES? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY

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SO, MR. BRODERICK, WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH SORT OF FIRST WHAT YOU'RE DOING ELSEWHERE, AND THEN WE'LL SORT OF TALK ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THIS SITE. SO. SO I DO FIREWOOD, 1415 INCH LENGTH FIREWOOD. IT IS PRIMARILY BOXED IN TWO CUBIC FEET BOXES, SO ABOUT 18IN HIGH.

MAYBE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LAPTOP. SO IT'S, IT'S HIGH PREMIUM STRAIGHT GRAIN FIREWOOD FOR RESTAURANTS. SO. SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRODUCT, THE INTRODUCTION TO THE PRODUCT WAS YOUR TESTIMONY HIGH PREMIUM, STRAIGHT GRAINED. YEAH. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I'M REALLY INTO FIREWOOD. SO OKAY. THIS IS NOT IT'S NOT YOUR LANDSCAPERS FIREWOOD. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST I, I WISH I HAD A PICTURE, BUT IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE IN A PEDIATRIC OFFICE, THE, THE CHILDREN'S BLOCKS THAT THEY BUILD IN THE PLAY AREA. SO IT'S VERY CLEAN, 90 DEGREE ANGLE, LIKE PERFECT BLOCKS. SO THE RESTAURANTS NEED CONSISTENCY WITH THE SPECIES, THE DRYNESS, THE LENGTH. SO THEY GET THE SAME COOK TYPICALLY USED IN FIRE COOKING IN RESTAURANTS.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO ALL THE STEAKHOUSES IN THE TRI COUNTY AREA WOULD BE MY TARGET MARKET.

AND OF COURSE, MANY OF THEM ARE. SO THAT'S IT. SO THAT'S THE PRODUCT, RIGHT? SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THEN DELIVERIES. SO DELIVERIES JUST KIND OF LIKE IF I, IF I COULD JUST GET TO THE SCENE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE KILN HOLDS THE, THE KILN RIGHT, WARMS THE WOOD SLOWLY OVER A PERIOD OF 3 TO 4 DAYS. I WOULD BE USING IT FOR A FULL WEEK TO GET THE DRYNESS THAT I NEED. WE DO A 0 TO 6% CENTER CORE DRYNESS, SO IT DOES TAKE QUITE A BIT OF WARMING TO GET TO THAT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DESTROYING THE WOOD, THE, THE KILN, THE CONTAINER ITSELF HOLDS 12 CORDS. SO THE BASKETS GO, THIS GOES IN AND OUT, RIGHT? SO THE BASKETS GO IN ABOUT ONCE A WEEK. IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO LOAD THE KILN. SO THE MACHINE USED TO LOAD THE KILN HAPPENS ABOUT ONCE AT MOST TWICE A WEEK. THEN THE THE RAW MATERIAL COMES IN WITH ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS. THE BIGGER THE TRUCK. IF I GET THE BIG TRUCK, WHICH I PROBABLY COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD, IT'S 180,000 TO GET THAT. 750 IT COMES ONCE A WEEK FOR LESS TIME THAN THE MAILMAN COMES IN, BACKS UP, DROPS THE RAW MATERIAL NEAR THE SPLITTER, THE ELECTRIC SPLITTER, AND THEN LEAVES I. I HAVE THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, PROBABLY LESS THAN 510 MINUTES TO DO THAT ONCE A WEEK ON THE BIG TRUCK. IF IT'S A SMALLER TRUCK WITH HALF THE CONTAINER FROM WHERE I SAW THE MATERIAL INTO FOUR INCH ROUNDS, 14 INCH ROUNDS, IT'LL PROBABLY BE 2 TO 3 TIMES BECAUSE IT'LL BE HALF THE MATERIAL OR LESS THAN HALF THE MATERIAL. I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY YOU SAW THE MATERIAL? I SAW THE MATERIAL AT ANOTHER LOCATION. OKAY. AND I GET THESE. YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE BAG, 14 INCH HIGH. THE BAG IS ABOUT TWO FEET TALL, TWO FEET WIDE AND 12IN TALL, 14IN DEEP. SO IT WOULD BE AROUND LIKE, LIKE A BENCH. YOU COULD SIT ON IT LIKE A LITTLE LOG BENCH, BUT IT BUT THE HEIGHT IS ONLY 14IN. OUR BOXES ARE 1516IN. SO WE WANTED TO FIT IN NICELY. SO THAT'S THE TRUCK I COMING IN. THE MACHINE THAT LOADS THE KILN DOES NOT BEEP. I HAVE A MINI SKID STEER, A 100 THAT I USE DAILY JUST TO MOVE THE LOGS CLOSER TO THE MACHINE AS I GET TO PROCESS THEM. THE LOADING OF THE KILN HAPPENING ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. THE MACHINE TO LOAD IT DOES NOT BEEP. BACKING UP. WE DIDN'T.

NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE SPLITTER, BUT I HAVE THE SPLITTER THERE. AND AGAIN THIS PROPERTY CAN ONLY. I ONLY SELL COOKED WOOD. I DON'T LET IT. LET IT SIT WITH ACRES OF WOOD.

SO THE MACHINE, THE KILN ITSELF CAN ONLY COOK 12 TIME FOR ABOUT A WEEK. I CAN'T PRODUCE ANY

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THE PROPERTY CAN'T HOLD THAT. THIS IS A 2 TO 3 DAY OPERATION. THAT'S THAT'S THE REALITY. AND THAT'S WHAT I DO. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T DO THIS FULL TIME. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE THE OPERATION THAT I'M RUNNING RIGHT NOW. WHAT ELSE? THE HEIGHT OF THE DUMP TRUCK THAT TILTS ABOUT 50 DEGREES. I HAVE THAT IT'S ABOUT TEN FEET, 10 TO 12FT OFF THE GROUND. THE THE PROPERTY THAT BENDS AROUND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY GOES UP ABOUT 20 TO 30FT FROM GROUND LEVEL.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IT'S TALLER THAN THE TELEPHONE POLE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AT ONE MOUNTAINSIDE AND THE OVERPASS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ELSE OTHER FOLKS ON PEOPLE ON SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. THAT'S THE OTHER THING. THE DELIVERY TRUCK DOES NOT STAY THERE. IT CAN'T STAY THERE. SO IT COMES AND DROPS OFF THE RAW MATERIAL ONCE, TWICE OR THREE TIMES A WEEK, DEPENDING ON WHAT TRUCK I'M ALLOWED, AND THEN GOES BACK TO WHERE WE'RE SAWING SO IT COULD GET FILLED UP FOR THE NEXT TIME. THERE'S ONLY THE ONE EMPLOYEES CAR THERE, PROBABLY MY CAR. AND THEN WE HAVE A DELIVERY VAN THAT DELIVERS THE WOULD YOU SAY DELIVERS IT PICKS UP FROM YOUR SITE AND DELIVERS TO CLIENT, TO COMPANY TO CLIENT. SO THE DELIVERY VAN COULD BE THERE.

THE DELIVERY VAN COULD NOT BE THERE. I HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DELIVERS THAT. THAT WAS THE SPRINTER VAN. MR. SPRINTER VAN. WHAT ELSE? NO ONE WILL BE THERE OVERNIGHT. NOBODY WILL BE THERE AFTER 5:00. THERE'S NO ONE. WE DON'T INTEND ON PUTTING ANY LIGHTS UP. THERE'S NO AFTER DARK ACTIVITY. THAT'S IT. 4 OR 5:00. AS FAR AS IDLING, WE WILL PREVENT ANYONE FROM. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY DELIVERIES MADE WHILE NO ONE IS THERE TO RECEIVE THEM, CORRECT? YES. SO THE VAN NOW, I MEAN IT TAKES TIME TO LIFT THE BOXES INTO THE SPRINTER VAN. RIGHT. SO THE VAN TURNED OFF THE VAN. IT'S A FORD 250. IT IT IT IDLES OBVIOUSLY, BUT YOU TURN IT OFF AND THEN YOU LOAD THE VAN UP, YOU TURN IT ON 30 MINUTES LATER AND YOU DRIVE AWAY. AND NO ONE WILL BE IDLING DURING DELIVERY TIME. NOBODY. NOBODY'S IDLING. WE'VE CONFIRMED THE THE DWELLING WILL BE VACATED FROM BY RESIDENTS. YES. WE USE THIS FOR COMMERCIAL USE. YEAH. ACCESSORY. OFFICE USE. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT ONE OF THE REPORTS, A SWORN STATEMENT THAT IT WILL BE OPERATING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE SHOULD THE BOARD GRANTED OBVIOUSLY WE WILL SUBMIT THAT STATEMENT. YES. ANYTHING ELSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY NEEDS AS FAR AS SIGNING OFF ON ANYTHING? THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'VE ASKED. YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO MAINTAIN LANDSCAPING AND FENCING AND CONDITION TO MEET YOUR ONGOING OBLIGATIONS.

YES. AND THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE ENGINEER REGARDING THE STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT MR. VOGT TESTIFIED TO LAST TIME. BUT YOU WILL ENGAGE A MAINTENANCE COMPANY? YES, FOR THE DRYWALL? THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK YOU WANT WE TALKED ABOUT THE SKID STEER. WOULD THAT BE STORED? THAT'LL BE BE STORED THERE. I IN RESPONSE TO MR. RUSSELL'S QUESTIONS. YEAH. THE THE SKID STEER, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS TABLE WOULD JUST WHEN YOU'RE YOU'RE ONLY USING IT TO MOVE THE ROUNDS CLOSER TO THE SPLITTER, GET THEM UP ON THE TABLE. AND ONCE THEY'RE ALL UP INTO THE HOPPER, USE THE SPLITTING MACHINE, SPLITS THEM. AND. YEAH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH VERY QUICKLY THROUGH THE, THE PHYSICAL PATH THAT A LOG OR A ROUND WOULD TAKE WHEN YOU DROP IT OFF? SURE. THE RAW MATERIAL, THE RAW MATERIAL. SO THE RAW MATERIAL WOULD COME DOWN THE ROAD, GET TO THE DRIVEWAY, ENTER. AND THEN K TURN EITHER IN THE PARKING LOT OR IN THIS AREA HERE, BACK UP

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I'M SORRY, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING? YES. YOU SAID THAT THE SKID. I'M SORRY.

WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THE SKIDDER SKID STEER. OKAY. SKID STEER WAS ONLY USED TO MOVE THE LOGS TO THE BACK OF THE SPLITTER, BUT I THOUGHT EARLIER IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE SKID STEER IS ALSO USED TO MOVE THE. TALKING TO THE MICROPHONE, MR. KEARNEY, PLEASE. SORRY. WITH THIS VOICE, I KNOW WE LOVE YOU. THE QUESTION IS, YOU HAD TESTIFIED THE SKID STEER JUST A MINUTE AGO WAS USED TO MOVE THE LOGS TO THE BACK BY THE SPLITTER, BUT EARLIER I THOUGHT SOMEONE SAID THE SKID STEER IS ALSO USED TO MOVE THE BASKETS OF LOGS ACCORD 2000 TO 4000 POUNDS, DEPENDING ON THE WOOD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR WOOD WEIGHS, BUT INTO THE ACTUAL KILN. SO IS IT ALSO USED FOR MOVING THE BASKETS INTO THE KILN? AND I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED. SURE. THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO THE, THE MACHINE THAT LOADS THE, THE KILN THAT I PROBABLY TAKES 20 MINUTES TO LOAD THE KILN, MOVE THE BASKETS IN. THAT'S A SEPARATE MACHINE THAT LIFTS THAT SPECIFIC WEIGHT AND THEN ISN'T IN USE IN ANY PART OF THE OPERATION UNTIL THEY'RE TAKEN OUT AND RELOADED. SO THIS TWO MACHINES. SO THE SKID STEER, IT'S VERY NIMBLE. I'M STANDING ON IT. IT'S LIKE A STAND BEHIND LAWNMOWER THAT'S USED IN THE DAILY OR 2 TO 3 DAY OPERATION, WHATEVER IT IS, WHEN WE'RE USING THIS, THE THE MACHINE TO SPLIT SEPARATE MACHINE IS USED TO LIFT THESE CAGES. THE THE LARGE CAGES IN AND OUT. WHAT TYPE OF MACHINE IS THAT? THAT'S IT'S A IT'S, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF MACHINES. SO IT COULD BE A TELE LIFT. IT COULD BE. I HAVE THIS, I HAVE THE SAME BRAND, THE BOBCAT, THAT LIFTS A BIGGER VERSION OF THE SKID STEER FORKLIFT. THIS IS NOT REALLY GREAT FOR FORKLIFT TERRAIN. SO YOU WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DURABLE POWERED BY WHAT IS IT POWERED BY ALL. ALL THE MACHINES ARE DIESEL EXCEPT THE SPLITTER. SO THE SKID STEER. AND THE SPLITTER WOULD BE ELECTRONIC ELECTRIC. AND DO THESE MAKE NOISE. DO THESE BEEP WHEN THEY BACK UP? NO, NONE OF THE MACHINES BEEP WHEN THEY BACK UP. ANY OTHER.

MR. KASPARIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BRODERICK? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MISSED WHERE YOU WERE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE KILN, THE KILNS RUNNING FOR ONE LOAD. WHAT IS THE OPERATION TIME OF A KILN OF A DRYING CYCLE. THE MANUFACTURER SAYS THAT YOU CAN GET TO 20%, WHICH IS STANDARD FOR WOOD BURNING. LIKE IF YOU USED THE FIREWOOD IN YOUR HOME.

NO, NO, WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT IS HOW LONG DOES THE KILN RUN TO DRY A LOAD? YEAH. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA GO. SO THE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS I'M SORRY. SO JUST I DO IT LONGER THAN THE RECOMMENDED PERIOD OF TIME. RIGHT. SO I COULD, IF I WAS SELLING RESIDENTIAL, I COULD PROBABLY TURN THIS OVER AND GET YOU SOME REALLY CHEAP, NOT REALLY DRY WOOD IN ABOUT TWO DAYS, 2 TO 3 DAYS, YOU WOULD WANT TO BUY FROM ME IF YOU HAD THIS LIKE VERY DRY,

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PLUS THERE'S ONE RESTAURANT WE HAVE THAT THEY I HAVE IT IN, I HAVE IT SIT IN FOR OVER A WEEK, ALMOST TWO WEEKS. WHEN I DO THEIR THEIR INVENTORY TWO WEEKS. AND WITH THAT CLIENT'S PRODUCT BE POSSIBLY PRODUCED FROM THIS LOT FOR THE TWO WEEK OF KILN RUNNING. IT, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE TWO WEEKS. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BECAUSE THIS, THIS ONE IS HEATING AT ABOUT 2030 DEGREES MORE THAN THE ONE I'M USING. SO YEAH, I, WE WOULD SEE, I, I WOULD WANT IT PROBABLY AT LEAST A WEEK FOR THEM. SO ONE WEEK WOULD BE AN AVERAGE DRYING TIME FOR ONE LOAD OF WOOD FOR THAT CLIENT, FOR THAT CLIENT. SO MY TESTIMONY HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS PROBABLY ABOUT 3 TO 4 DAYS FOR MOST CLIENTS. SO, SO TYPICAL RUNNING WOULD BE THREE, SAY FOUR DAYS TO SEVEN DAYS DEPENDING ON THE CLIENT. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. LIKE A, LIKE A BATCH. SO BASICALLY HOW LONG, HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING BEFORE YOU OPEN IT UP AND TAKE THEM OUT AND PUT THEM BACK IN. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY, LIKE IF I, IF I CAN GET IT STARTED MONDAY, MAYBE I COULD TAKE IT OUT FRIDAY. IF I GET IT GOING TUESDAY, LET'S SAY I DON'T LET'S SAY I DON'T VISIT THE PROPERTY AT ALL FOR THE LAST THREE DAYS OF THE PRIOR WEEK, THEN I'M GETTING IT GOING TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THEN IT COMES OUT THE FOLLOWING WEEK. OKAY. AND THEN THIS ALL TERRAIN LOADER AND THE IS RAN BY DIESEL, CORRECT. AND THEN THE SKID STEER AND THE SPLITTER DEVICE SPLITTER CONVEYOR UNIT IS ELECTRIC. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. WHERE AND HOW ARE YOU STORING DIESEL OR ARE YOU MONITORING ON A DAILY BASIS THE FUEL LEVELS OF THIS MACHINE OR MACHINES OF THE FUEL YOU'LL HAVE IN IT THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN A FIVE GALLON JUG WHENEVER YOU NEED TO REFUEL IT? IS THAT THE PROCESS? THAT'S WHAT I DO NOW. YEP. OKAY. I HAVE I HAVE TWO FIVE GALLON JUG, YELLOW JUGS, SO ONES UP BY THE GARAGE AND ONES UP BY THE TRUCK TO GET FILLED. AND OKAY.

SO NOW IF I UNDERSTOOD THE TESTIMONY, A LOAD OF PRE-PROCESSED WOOD WOULD COME IN, GET DROPPED OFF AT THE BASE OF THE SPLITTER. YOU'RE ONLY PROCESSING THAT BATCH, WHATEVER FILLS YOUR BINS. AND TO GET DRIED. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN OTHER LIKE ANOTHER LOAD TO WAIT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMING SATURDAY. WE'RE GOING TO BRING ANOTHER LOAD SUNDAY, ANOTHER LOAD MONDAY. AND THEN JUST HAVE THE GUYS WORK THREE, 4 OR 5 DAYS STRAIGHT TO KEEP. BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE SIX BINS, YOU'RE GOING TO COULD PRE-PREP OR PRE-SPLIT THE NEXT LOAD, THE NEXT BATCH. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENT OF IT.

YEAH. YOU WOULDN'T DO MORE THAN ONE. I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY CAN HOLD IT. AND WITH. YEAH. SO OKAY. AND, AND I ALSO HAVE A FACILITY THAT SPLITS THE WOOD AS WELL. SO I CAN BRING IN SPLIT WOOD JUST FOR THE KILN, BUT THAT'S NOT IDEAL. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SURE.

MR. TAYLOR, I'M SORRY, MR. TAYLOR. SO I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THE OPERATIONS ON HOW THEY'RE MANNED CURRENTLY. SO IF YOU'RE REALLY NOT DOING A LOT ON THE SITE FOR THREE, FOUR DAYS AT A TIME, HOW DO YOU MONITOR THE KILN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HASN'T SHUT OFF OR THAT IT HASN'T OVERHEATED, OR IS THERE EXTERNAL MONITORING? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I DO BELIEVE THERE'S EXTERNAL MONITORING. SO SO IF LIKE SO IF IT SHUTS OFF, WHAT HAPPENS? DO YOU I PROBABLY GO AND TURN IT ON OR TALK CALL THE TECH FOR THE MANUFACTURER IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE. NO, I UNDERSTAND HOW DO YOU FIND THAT OUT THOUGH. HOW DO YOU OH, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE ENGINEER, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IS PHONE APP CAPABLE TEMPERATURE INSIDE RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION IF IT GETS TOO HOT TOO COLD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY REPORTING WITH THIS, WITH THIS KILN. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT'S RUNNING ON A GAS LINE THAT'S RUNNING FOR SEVEN DAYS STRAIGHT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT LEAKING GAS OR SOMETHING GOING ON WITH IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. WHO IS ACTUALLY OPERATING? YOU MENTIONED THE T 66 TRUCKLOAD OR BOBCAT. YOU MENTIONED THE THE SKID STEER. WHO'S OPERATING THESE FOR YOU OR ARE YOU WELL, YEAH, MOSTLY ME. OKAY. I DO HAVE A HELPER, BUT I PREFER TO DO IT MYSELF. AND YOU JUST YOU BASICALLY YOU'RE DOING ALL THE OPERATIONS FOR. I'M, I'M

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THEY'RE ON MY PAYROLL. IT'S TYPICALLY THE GUY THAT SAWS. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. GOTCHA. IT'S MY TRUCK. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS IT. AND THEN YOU SAID THE SONG WAS ALL DONE. THIRD PARTY. I THINK THAT'S IT. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS MORE AROUND THE KILN TEMPERATURES. WERE YOU REFERENCE THERE PRETTY MUCH LOW AND SLOW, RIGHT? YES. LOW AND SLOW. SO IF I WAS TO WALK UP TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE KILN AND PUT MY HAND ON IT, AM I GOING TO GET BURNED TO BITS OR YOU WOULDN'T FEEL IT? I WOULDN'T EVEN FEEL IT. THEY'RE INSULATED. THEY'RE INSULATED. OKAY, SO I SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEAT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE GENERATING. YOU COULD PUT YOUR CHEEK UP A BABY'S CHEEK UP TO IT. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO DON'T DON'T DO THAT. BUT YOU COULD PUT YOUR CHEEK UP TO IT. THAT WAS CRAZY THAT I SAID THAT, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE ON THE RECORD, BY THE WAY. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY HEAT GENERATED 25FT AWAY AT THE BORDER, OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FEEL IT ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. AND THEN AS IT'S DRYING, IS THERE A MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL SPECS? IS THERE AN EXHAUST PIPE? IS THERE A VENTILATION? IS THERE A FAN? HOW DOES THAT OPERATE? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? THERE'S FANS PART OF THE MACHINE. THE KILN IS, IS FAN BASED LIKE THE, THE, THE SCIENCE BEHIND IT IS PUSHING THE HOT AIR THROUGH THE 190 TO 200 DEGREES THROUGH THE.

THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T STACK IT IN THESE CAGES. YOU WANT IT LOOSE SO THE AIR CAN TRAVEL THROUGH IT. SO THERE IS A FAN. AND OF COURSE THERE IS A VENT. SO THE WHOLE THING IS VENTED.

OKAY. AND THEN OTHER THAN WHATEVER'S COMING OUT OF THE VENT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SENSE ANY HEAT COMING. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T SEE IT OR SEE IT. I'M SORRY. YOU DON'T SEE IT OR SMELL IT. ACTUALLY, IT SMELLS GREAT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT YOU'D HAVE TO BE NEXT TO IT.

OKAY. AND THE VENT VENTS UPWARD, I ASSUME. JUST. YEAH. VENTS UPWARDS. OKAY, GREAT. BUT YOU YOU'D HAVE TO BE STANDING NEXT TO IT. YEAH. TO ACTUALLY PICK IT UP. YEP. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. CALAGIONE. YEAH. I THINK IT'D BE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYBODY JUST TO HEAR, LIKE, THE SUMMARY OF THE INTENSITY OF THE SITE, RIGHT? SO JUST SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE TO. SO I THINK IT'D BE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYBODY HERE, LIKE THE

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AND SEE IF THIS IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU GOT A DELIVERY WHICH TAKES ABOUT FIVE MINUTES WITH THE TRUCK THAT YOU OWN, RIGHT? YES. YEP. AFTER THAT, YOU LOAD THE SPLITTER AND YOU SPLIT THE WOOD, RIGHT. USING A SKID. YES. AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU USE YOU TAKE THE BASKETS AND YOU PUT THEM INTO THE KILN, WHICH TAKES ABOUT 20 MINUTES. YES, 20, 20 TO 30 MINUTES TO LOAD. UNLOAD. OKAY. AND THEN WITHIN 3 TO 7 DAYS YOU TAKE THEM OUT, YOU BOX. YES. AND THEN YOU LOAD UP THE TRUCK. YES. AND DURING VACCINE THERE'S NO OPERATION OF MACHINES. AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU SOMEBODY DRIVES IT AWAY. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. AND AND ALL OF WHAT YOU DESCRIBED COULD NOT HAVE STORED THE STORED BETWEEN BOXING AND PICKUP. THERE IS STORAGE IN THE SHED. I MEAN UNLESS I GUESS IN THEORY THERE COULD BE SOMEONE PICKING UP THAT DAY THAT THEY'RE BOXING AND THEY WOULDN'T GO TO THE SHED, BUT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND YOU SAID YOU RUN THAT YOU ONLY DO 12 CORDS A WEEK. THE THE KILN CAN ONLY PRODUCE. IT ONLY FITS 12 CORDS A WEEK. AND, AND YOU ALSO NOTED THAT YOU'RE THERE. THE PROCESS IS THREE DAYS. BUT ARE YOU THERE SIX DAYS A WEEK OR ARE YOU THERE SUNDAYS? LIKE HOW, HOW, HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK ARE YOU THERE? NO, IT'S WE'RE SEEKING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 5 OR 9 TO 5, BUT IT'S NOT A 40 HOUR WEEK OPERATION. YOU'LL BE THERE AS NEEDED DURING THOSE DAYS. IT'S IT'S A PART TIME OPERATION BECAUSE THE KILN IS THE KILN IS THE FOCUS. SO YOU, YOU REALLY YOU CAN SPLIT AND GET AHEAD OF IT, BUT YOU CAN ONLY GET AHEAD OF IT BY ONE LOAD. THAT'S IT. I ONLY HAVE THAT MANY BASKETS. I'M NOT SPLITTING ONTO THE GROUND WAITING TO FILL IT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER MR. SERNA? YES. ABOUT THE BRING YOUR MIC DOWN, PLEASE. THANKS. BASICALLY IT'S ABOUT THE THE SAFETY SHUTDOWN. AT THE END OF THE DAY, SINCE WE DO HAVE YOU DO HAVE A FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK AND KIDS CAN JUMP IN AND TURN ON THE SPLITTER, THE KILN AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE SAFETY PROTOCOL TO SHUT THE MACHINE DOWN? SO, SO THE GATE CAN BE LOCKED AND IT WOULD BE LOCKED UP. THE MACHINES ARE KEY AND KEYPAD OPERATED. SO THEY WOULD NEED THE KEYS AND THE KEYPAD KEY CODE TO OPERATE THE MACHINES. AND THEN THE KILN ACTUALLY LOCKS TO SO. SO IT WILL BE LOCKED UP EVERY NIGHT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER MEMBERS, MR. KEARNEY? SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MR. CALHOUN.

THANK YOU. ON THE INTENSITY, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THE LOT. YOU'RE IN THE VERY FRONT SIDE OF THIS LOT. IT'S VERY DENSE FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE TO BE DONE.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT. YOU SAID YOU WOULD HAVE 12 BASKETS IN THE KILN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 12 BASKETS IN THAT FRONT TO BE LOADING FOR THAT SECOND ROUND. AND WHERE WILL THEY BE STORED? SO WE HAVE WE HAVE 12 BASKETS STATE. I THINK I'M ANSWERING A QUESTION. SO TELL ME IF I'M NOT WE HAVE 12 BASKETS STAGED ON THE GRAPH ON THE DIAGRAM FED FROM THE SPLITTER. SO THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO MOVE THEM OTHER THAN TO JUST KIND OF ROTATE THEM AROUND AS THE SPLIT. YOU TAKE THE 12 THAT GET LOADED, LOAD THEM IN THE KILN WHERE THE OTHER 12 COMING FROM TO START THE NEXT ROUND. SO I, I HAVE TO CLARIFY, BUT I THINK IT'S SIX IN THE KILN AND THEN SIX ON THE FLOOR ON THE GROUND, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT COULD BE 12 AND 12.

WELL, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE NOW FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER. WELL I'M LOOKING AT SIX RIGHT HERE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT DIAGRAMS ARE DRAWN OUT TO SHOW OPERATIONAL USE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX AT A TIME. PARDON ME. IT SAYS SIX AT A TIME IS THE MAX PER THE SITE PLANS. YEAH. IT'S JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK SIX AND SIX IS 12. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE REFERRING TO ALL 12 AT THE SAME TIME, BUT HALF OF THEM ARE IN THE KILN AND THEN THE OTHER HALF ARE BEING FED AND FILLED BY THE SPLITTER. SO DO WE SAID 12 CORDS A WEEK. THAT'S TWO RUNS PER WEEK OF THE KILN, RIGHT. 12 CORDS IS IS YEAH. FOUR TO I THINK WE SAID 3 TO 7 DAYS. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I BELIEVE HE'S SAYING YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ONLY SIX, SIX, SIX CORDS THAT FIT INTO THE THAT GO INTO THE KILN NOW. AND I THOUGHT YOU SAID EARLIER THERE WERE 12 ENGINEERS SAY YOU DO 12 AT A TIME. NO, IT'S IT'S 12 CORDS. I THINK IT'S SOMEONE HAS TO CLARIFY, BUT I THINK IT'S SIX BASKETS. MAKE UP 12 CORDS. NO. SO, SO WELL WE SHOULD GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT IS

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I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONFUSION IS. SO I THINK THAT THE OPERATION ITSELF CAN DO 12 CORDS A WEEK. THIS IS WHERE THE TESTIMONY IS PROBABLY MY FAULT. THE OPERATION ITSELF COULD MAX OUT AT 12 CORDS A WEEK. IT'S ONE CORD PER BASKET. IT'S A TOTAL OF SIX BASKETS IN THE KILN, A TOTAL OF SIX BASKETS OUTSIDE THE KILN, 12 BASKETS TOTAL. I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT.

SO I, I CAME HERE TESTIFYING THAT WE COULD MAX OUT AT 12 CORDS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THE KILN CAN DO CAN FIT 12 CORDS. IT'S A TOTAL OF SIX CORDS IN THE KILN. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. NOW ON.

I'M SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD, MR. CARNEY. SO NOW THAT'S THE END. I'M CURIOUS AS TO. AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE FOR THE LAST MEETING. WHY? YOU WOULDN'T HAVE JUST DECIDED TO PLOW THE HOUSE UNDER AND MOVE EVERYTHING BACK SO YOU WEREN'T ADJACENT AND YOU GAVE YOURSELF MORE ROOM. WHY? YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT? WELL, I, I THINK ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF. I, I'M GONNA PROBABLY PROBABLY TOO MUCH, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND GIVE YOU TESTIMONY, BUT I DEFER TO THE PLANNER ON THAT. OKAY. SO I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE THE NEXT QUESTION IS THEN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY SUCCESSFUL. OBVIOUSLY, IF THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING AND RESTAURANTS ARE GOOD, YOU COULD HAVE GROWTH. ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK AND NOW START LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL GROWTH BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY VERY DENSE SITE? THOSE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I'M JUST LOOKING AT. THE. SO NO, I WOULD NOT BE. AND BUT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO THIS. WELL, HE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ABSOLUTELY.

AGREED. BUT THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU IS BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY IS ALL IN THE FRONT END.

IT SEEMS YOU WOULD HAVE MORE IN THE REAR END. AND I THINK SOME OF THE ADJACENCIES AND THE PLOT LINES AND THE SETBACKS, THOSE ARE CONCERNING TO ME. IT'S A DENSE AMOUNT OF USE AND A VERY SMALL AREA. AND NOW HERE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LITTLE VEHICLES. I HEAR ABOUT DIFFERENT SIZED DUMP TRUCKS AND OTHER TYPE OF THINGS. I THINK THERE'S IT'S GROWN A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PUT CONSTRAINTS INTO YOUR OPERATION WITHOUT NEGATIVELY AFFECTING YOU TO WHERE YOU COULDN'T OPERATE. I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THIS IS THIS IS BEYOND MY THIS, THIS IS BEYOND MY GROWTH, RIGHT? SO THIS IS PLENTY. MORE THAN PLENTY. AND I, I CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT. I, I ACTUALLY THINK VERY LITTLE IS GOING ON HERE. AND I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A SPLITTER, A CONTAINER, THERE'S ALREADY A CONTAINER, BY THE WAY, ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. AND I HAVE A SKID STEER THE SIZE AND A LIFT. AND THE TRUCK COMES IN AND OUT. SO THE TRUCK'S NOT EVEN THERE. SO.

WELL, THERE ARE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SIZE TRUCKS THAT IT'S AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, YEAH, IT'S ONLY PUT THEM IN. WE WOULD PUT THEM INTO A CONSTRAINT TO SAY NO LARGER TRUCKS THAN THESE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING THREE WHEEL DUMP TRUCKS COME IN HYPOTHETICALLY. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULD. YEAH. SO I, I WOULD NOT WE WOULD IF WE WERE LOOKING AT APPROVING PROBABLY PUTTING CONSTRAINTS. I, I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THOSE CONSTRAINTS. WE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING ANYTHING MORE THAN, THAN YOU'VE SEEN HERE TODAY. AND AGAIN, THE, THE BIGGER TRUCK WOULD COME ONCE A WEEK FOR FIVE, SIX MINUTES. THE SMALLER TRUCK, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE WOULD WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME ABOUT TWICE A WEEK, MAYBE THREE TIMES. I THINK. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE SPLITTER HANDLING. GAUGES. SO WE HAD AGREED THAT THERE'S TOTAL OF 12 CORDS SIX AND SIX. SO THAT CLARIFIED THAT IT'S. YEAH, IT'S A TOTAL OF. SO THE THE KILN ITSELF CAN WARM UP SIX TOTAL CORDS. SO IT'S, IT'S ONE BASKET PER CORD. SIX BASKETS GO IN SIX BASKETS GO OUT. I CAME TO YOU TODAY SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY AND THE KILN CAN ONLY PRODUCE MAXIMUM 12

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OKAY. DO YOU KNOW THE DIMENSIONS OF OF THE BASKET. WE HAVE THEM SOMEWHERE. I THOUGHT YOU HAD IT BEFORE. IT'S 4X4 BY EIGHT. IT'S NOT A FULL CORD. THAT'S A FULL COURT. FULL COURT? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. IT'S FOUR BY 4X4. BUT THAT'S A FULL COURT STACKED. THIS IS LOOSE. LOOSE TOSS 4X4. SOME SMALLER. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THOSE MEASUREMENTS MEASURE A CORD BUT WITH THE LOOSE STACK DOESN'T FILL IT FULL CORD. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE DIMENSIONS OF A FULL CORD. BUT WHEN YOU THROW IT IN LOOSE IT COMES OUT TO A HALF A CORD. A HALF TO THREE QUARTERS IS WHAT THE PAPERWORK SHOWS. OKAY, SO HOW MANY BASKETS ARE LAYING AROUND THE SITE AND HOW ARE THEY MANAGED? SO THEY WOULD BE AS CLOSE TO THE SPLITTER AS POSSIBLE TO LOAD. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE OR NOT. OBVIOUSLY, MY TESTIMONY IS THAT THE OTHER 12 WOULD BE IN THE KILN COOKING. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION FOR MY QUESTION. YEP. OKAY.

LET'S GO BACK TO OUR PROFESSIONALS. MIKE, DID YOU WANT TO CONTINUE, MR. KELLY? WELL, THE THE. IT'S A HALF COURT PER BASKET, BUT THE BASKETS ARE ONE QUART SIZE, BUT THEY GET HALF A QUART IN IT. YES. SO IT'S REALLY STILL SIX BASKETS. NO, IT'S 12 BASKETS BECAUSE YOU YOU COULD NOT YOU, YOU YOU CANNOT STACK THEM IN THE BASKET. YOU, YOU THROW THEM IN AND IT, IT REDUCES THE VOLUME INSIDE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 12 CORDS, 12 BASKETS IN THE KILN, WHICH EQUAL SIX STACKED CORDS. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 12 MORE BASKETS OUTSIDE THE KILN, WHICH WILL BE BEING LOADED FOR THE NEXT LOAD TO GO BACK IN THE KILN. SO YOU HAVE 24 BASKETS ON SITE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS PLAN SHOWS SIX BASKETS OUTSIDE OF THE THE SPLITTER. THAT'S RIGHT. CAN THEY BE STACKED OUTSIDE THE SPLITTER. WELL YOU COULD STACK THEM, BUT I DON'T. WELL THERE'S 12 IN THE KILN. THERE'S SIX AS IDENTIFIED ON THE THE GRAPH. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SIX ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPLITTER AS CLOSE TO THE SPLITTER AS POSSIBLE. WHEN YOU SAY OTHER SIDE, OTHER SIDE OF THE SPLITTER, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? YOU COULD HAVE THE, THE THESE, THESE BASKETS COULD BE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO NOW NOW WE'RE HAVING BASKETS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BASKETS ALL OVER THE PLACE. MAKE SURE JUST SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX BASKETS OUTSIDE THE SPLITTER, SIX BASKETS IN THE DRIVEWAY, 12 BASKETS IN THE KILN. I'M SORRY. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX BASKETS OUTSIDE THE SPLITTER, SIX BASKETS IN THE DRIVEWAY ALONG THE SPLITTER, AND 12 BASKETS IN THE KILN. THE ONES IN THE KILN ARE STACKED, THE ONES NOT IN YOU, I YOU COULD ONLY FILL ONE AT A TIME OR TWO.

YOU COULD ROTATE THAT SO THE OTHER BASKETS COULD BE STACKED AND STILL OCCUPY THE SAME

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THE AMOUNT OF WOOD EQUAL TO WHAT YOU COULD FILL FOR. SO PROBABLY ABOUT SIX CORDS.

EASILY THREE. SO MY, MY LIKE A 450 DUMP TRUCK WITH A DUMP BED COULD COULD DO ABOUT 2 TO 3. SO SOMETHING THAT'S 2 TO 3 TIMES LARGER COULD DO 4 TO 6 CORDS. BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, IT'S THE VOLUME. SO. SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOW MANY ROUNDS. SO YOU'D HAVE THREE TO 2 TO 3. 1 TO 3 TRUCKLOADS DROPPED OFF. AND HOW MANY. YOU WOULD EXPECT TO DROP OFF ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF 12 CORDS A WEEK. I THE NONE OF THE TRUCKS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING COULD BRING IN 12 CORDS OF RAW MATERIAL. SO RAW MATERIAL WOULD MAX OUT AT ABOUT SIX CORDS. SO IT'D BE A WEEK IN THE KILN AND A WEEK OF MATERIAL WEEK IN THE KILN, WEEK OF MATERIAL AND RAW MATERIAL.

SIX CORDS A WEEK MAXIMUM. OKAY. AND THAT BETWEEN WHETHER IT'S ONE TRUCK, THREE TRUCKS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SIX LOADS, SIX CORDS OF RAW. YES, A WEEK. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN THAT'S DROPPED OFF. SO THE RAW MATERIAL IS GOING TO BE STORED BETWEEN THE SPLITTER AND THE HOUSE. WHAT? I'M JUST NOT CLEAR. I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE PROCESS WHAT SIZE AREAS THAT CAN OCCUPY AND HOW, HOW HIGH IS IT GOING TO BE STACKED OR PILED UP. SO, SO THE WE'LL START IT WITH THE LARGEST DELIVERY, LIKE SIX CORDS OF ROUNDS, 4 TO 6 CORDS OF ROUNDS WOULD OCCUPY. PROBABLY. MAYBE A.

YEAH. LIKE SO THIS WELL IS PROBABLY ABOUT TEN FEET, 10 TO 12FT. SO THERE'D PROBABLY BE A, A FOOTPRINT OF RAW MATERIAL BETWEEN 10 TO 12, MAYBE 15FT. SO A PILE AND IT WOULDN'T BE HIGH. IT WOULD BE NO HIGHER THAN I AM. SO SAY SIX FEET. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN YOU HAVE SAY YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS. SO YOU HAVE SIX CHORDS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 12 BASKETS. SO YOU HAVE SIX CHORDS IN THE KILN. WHILE THEY'RE IN THE KILN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX MORE BASKETS OUTSIDE BEING LOADED, SPLIT 12 BASKETS LOADED OUTSIDE, BASKETS BEING LOADED OUTSIDE.

AND THE MOST YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE IN A WEEK IS 12 CHORDS. THAT WOULD BE THE MOST POSSIBLE.

SO WITH MY OPERATION AS IT IS NOW, IT'D BE LESS. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE SIX CHORDS IN THE KILN, SIX CHORDS BEING LOADED, AND THEN THE KILNS ARE FREE OR YOU'RE IT'S DONE BEING DRIED.

YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE 12 BASKETS, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THEM OVER AND PUT THEM IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SHED. NO, THE BASKETS DON'T GO IN THE SHED. SO THE BASKETS WOULD STAY THERE UNTIL WE BOX AND THEN 20 MINUTES TO UNLOAD AND THEN THE DAY BOXING. SO YOU PULL THE YOU PULL THE BASKETS OUT AND YOU SORT THROUGH THEM AND THEN YOU BOX THEM RIGHT THEN. YEP. SO YOU TAKE THEM OUT OF THE KILN, BOX THEM, AND YOU PUT THE BOXES IN THE SHED. YEAH. THE BOXES GO IN THE SHED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN AND THEN YOU JUST KEEP WITH THE PROCESS. IS THERE ANY TIME THAT YOU'RE. IN BETWEEN WHERE YOU GOT THE 12 BASKETS GOING INTO THE KILN, YOU GOT THE 12 BASKETS SOMEWHERE ELSE. AT ANY POINT WOULD YOU BE SPLITTING JUST TO SPLIT WOOD THAT YOU WOULD THEN PUT IN A BASKET? SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPLIT WOOD UNTIL YOU HAVE BASKETS READY FOR, FOR, FOR THEM TO GO INTO. THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. WE DON'T SPLIT ONTO THE GROUND. THE WOOD CAN'T TOUCH THE GROUND. AND. YEAH. OKAY.

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BOTH, BOTH. BOTH PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. YES. OKAY. GREAT. AND I THINK. I THINK THAT'S IT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY. I JUST WASN'T CLEAR. AND I THINK I HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON IT NOW. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. MR. KELLY THANK YOU, MISS RUSSELL. I ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO. NO, NO, I'M JUST CONFIRMING THAT NOTHING WE'RE USING IN THIS SITE WILL BE. THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAYING WE APOLOGIZE. WE NEED TO ADJUST OUR APPROVAL. SO I JUST WANT THAT CONFIRMATION. I NEED SOMETHING THAT SHOWS ME THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OSHA DOES REQUIRE IT, BUT WE JUST NEED THAT CONFIRMATION, RIGHT? YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. BROWN, WE WILL PROBABLY ADJOURN AROUND TEN. SO IT GIVES US ANOTHER 30 MINUTES. BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC. OH, YEAH. BUT. MR. OH, MISS. LAST QUESTION. SURE. AND I WAS OBSERVING WHERE THE WOOD SPLITTER IS. I'VE SEEN SIX, 4 TO 6 CORDS OF WOOD DUMPED AT MY OWN HOUSE FOR FIRE. IT TAKES MORE SPACE THAN I THINK YOU WERE GIVING CREDIT FOR, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT CUT. BUT YOU HAVE THE KILN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SPLITTER. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WHERE IS THE LOADER GOING TO DRIVE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL GRASS. AND THE OTHER AREA THAT YOU WOULD PUT PAVING STONE OR GRAVEL DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S IN, OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE LOADING AND UNLOADING? THE FRONT END, I BELIEVE IS FACING WEST. SO ARE YOU GOING TO DRIVE AROUND THE GRASS OR HOW IS IT WHAT'S THE ROTATION OF THE MOVEMENT OF THOSE BASKETS? ONCE THEY'RE DRIED, THE BASKET ON THE OUTPUT SIDE, THE BASKETS ON THE OUTPUT SIDE OF THE SPLITTER WOULD GO IN TO THE KILN DIRECTLY. IT'S ALL PLANNED WEST. THE OPENING TO GO IN THERE. YEP.

WHEN THEY'RE DONE, WHERE DO YOU BRING THEM OUT. THEY COME OUT THE SAME WAY. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE THEM AROUND THE LONG WAY. WHAT'S THE ROTATION? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BASKETS WAITING TO GO IN. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THIS LITTLE BOBCAT FORKLIFT OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND UNLOADING THE BASKETS. AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET OVER TO THE SHED. YOU WOULD YOU WOULD GO AROUND OR THROUGH THE PARKING, YOU'D GO AROUND. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE WEST, OUT TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY? YES.

WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE NOT. YEAH. NOT BETWEEN THE KILN AND THE HOUSE. WELL, IF THERE'S CARS IN THE PARKING LOT. YEAH, I, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I COULD, I COULD SO

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LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE GRASS YOU DIDN'T THINK OF. YOU KNOW, MAYBE I NEED IT OR NOT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT APPROVALS WITH THE BOARDS LEANING TOWARDS OR NOT LEANING TOWARDS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. OKAY, SO GRAVEL WOULD BE GREAT IN THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN. LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. NO, I SORRY, NO. WELL, SEE WHERE IT'S ALL GRASS WHERE THE KILN ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS. YES. AFTER YOU'VE DRIED THE WOOD, THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE IT OUT AND THEY'VE GOT TO DRIVE IT ACROSS. ASSUMING THE PARKING PLACES ARE FULL, YOU GOT TO DRIVE IT AROUND SOMEWHERE. SO THEY'D BE DRIVING AROUND POTENTIALLY ON GRASS AND OR POTENTIALLY MUD. SO I WAS JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, WHERE IS THAT ROTATION GOING TO BE? HOW IS THAT ROTATION AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET THAT WOOD AROUND? AND DO THEY ACTUALLY NEED SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD GRAVEL OR ANYTHING ELSE? SO IT WAS A GENERAL QUESTION OF AN OBSERVATION. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE DURING THE WINTER. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SNOW. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SPRING WHERE IT'S THAWING. AND IT COULD IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR A SLOPPY MESS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DANGEROUS THAN WE WOULD EVER LIKE TO SEE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS A GENERAL QUESTION. I'LL LET YOU YOU ANSWERED THAT YOU DIDN'T REALLY THINK THAT THROUGH NECESSARILY NOT AS AN INSULT. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S YOU HAVE A BIG SITE.

SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT INSULTED WHEN YOU WALK IT. THE THE SPLITTER LOOKS LIKE IT'S TWICE THE LENGTH OF THE KILN. IT IS NOT. SO THE QUESTION THEN IS JUST GOING THROUGH FOR YOUR OWN. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM. YEAH, PLENTY OF ROOM. AND YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SURFACE IS BECAUSE IN THE WINTER, YOU KNOW, ICE, RAIN, SNOW, YOU CAN HAVE OTHER MUD, YOU CAN HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, YOU RUN THIS BUSINESS. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT'S RIGHT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AHEAD. YEP. THANK YOU. I MEAN, IS THE BOARD RECOMMENDING THAT WE IF THE BOARD IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADD GRAVEL THERE, WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE ENGINEER. IF WE THINK IT'S FOR A SAFETY ISSUE, WE CAN THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE CONDITIONALLY. THAT WOULD BE ADDED THERE WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH MIKE.

THEN WE CAN ADD GRAVEL. THIS IS NOT A. WE'RE NOT CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING GRAVEL THERE.

I'M JUST I WAS OBSERVING AND ASKING THE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. WE APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S JUST WHAT THE PROCESS. WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING GRAVEL THERE. IF THE. IF THAT WOULD MAKE EVERYONE MORE AT EASE WITH THE CONDITIONS. YES. OKAY. MR. KELLY, IF THE BOARD WOULD ACT KINDLY ON THIS APPLICATION, IT WILL IT BE SUBJECT TO YOUR OFFICE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, OR IS IT SOMETHING WE'D WANT TESTIMONY FROM THE ENGINEER TONIGHT WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE PLAN, I WOULD INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. YOU KNOW, IT MAY AFFECT THEIR DRAINAGE ON SITE MAY IT'LL AFFECT THEIR LOCK COVERAGES. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST HAVE THAT TESTIFY TO. AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK INTO AND COME BACK TO US FOR, BUT SURE, I HAVE DEFINITELY PLENTY OF STORMWATER VOLUME. I, I ALMOST HAVE TWICE WHAT'S REQUIRED. SO ADDING A SMALL AMOUNT OF STONE IS IT CAN HANDLE INTO THE EXISTING SYSTEM THAT I HAVE. I CAN CHECK ALL THE COVERAGES FOR YOU, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE.

ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY IS IRREGULAR, I THINK I'M OKAY ON THE COVERAGES AS WELL. I THINK IT SHOULD BE. WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT'S NOT. I ALMOST HAVE TWICE THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER VOLUME THAT'S THAT'S REQUIRED. SO I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LITTLE MORE STONE. OKAY. AND THE STONE ITSELF IS PERVIOUS. SO I, I IN A SENSE HAVE MORE. OKAY. ARE WE GOING TO PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEW DRAWINGS? WHAT ARE WE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE YET. OKAY. MR. KELLY I, I, I WOULD I THINK THEY'VE HEARD THE BOARD'S CONCERN AND I DO SHARE THAT CONCERN. AND I THINK THEY SHOULD ADDRESS IT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S REVISED PLAN

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YES. OKAY. SO MY CONCERN IS THE MONITORING OF THE KILN. IF IT'S RUNNING 24 HOURS A DAY, WHAT TYPE OF MONITORING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING. SO I DID CHECK ON THE BRAKE ON THE BRAKE THAT WE HAD. THE KILN IS LIKE THE NATIONAL KIND OF STANDARD OF KILNS AND COMES FULLY EQUIPPED WITH APP MONITORING. IT'S ALL COMPUTERIZED. SO EVERY MINUTE OF THE KILN, THERE'S PRINTOUTS. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IT, IT, THE MANUFACTURER WOULD SATISFY THOSE CONCERNS. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS YOU HAVE ANOTHER KILN LIKE THIS ON ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT YOU CURRENTLY USE? YES, I HAVE THREE KILNS. SO WHAT KIND OF PROPERTIES ARE THEY LOCATED. IS IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA OR INDUSTRIAL AREA. LIKE WHAT'S THE SURROUNDING? YEAH, I, I'M CURIOUS IF THIS IS SOMETHING TYPICAL FOR THIS KIND OF. WELL, I WOULD, SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

THAT WOULD BE. I DEFER TO THE, THE PLANNER, I THINK. OKAY, WE'LL LET THE PLANNERS TESTIFY.

OKAY. SO YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT. WELL, I WOULD CAUSE YOU ASKED ME QUESTIONS ABOUT ZONING AND WHAT'S. NO, I'M, I'M KIND OF GETTING I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA. IF YOU HAVE A KILN LIKE THIS IN A TYPICAL APPLICATION IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.

WELL, YEAH. LET ME HOW LONG IS HOW IS THAT RELEVANT? I MEAN, THIS KILN IS GOING TO BE 25FT FROM MY HOUSE. I'M WONDERING IF HIS OTHER KILNS ARE 25FT TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. YEAH, BUT MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT APPLIES BECAUSE EVERY APPLICATION IS UNIQUE ON ITS ON ITS OWN. SO LIKE WHAT I, I'M NOT TRYING TO IT'S MY OWN TRYING TO DEFEAT YOUR, MY OWN CURIOSITY, I GUESS. OKAY, I'M, I'M ASSUMING MAYBE HE HAS THIS KILN IN A FIVE ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY SOMEWHERE AND IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. OKAY, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE APPLICANT. THAT'S.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST MY OWN CURIOSITY, OKAY? BUT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS 25FT, 20, 28FT FROM HIS HIS BUSINESS. IS THAT A QUESTION OR. THAT'S JUST TO CLARIFY. THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL SITE, RIGHT. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS WHY ARE YOU NOT UTILIZING THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? IT'S A BIG PIECE OF LAND THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED AT ALL. SO AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO THE PLANNER, BUT I BELIEVE THAT HAVING THIS NOT ON BOTH THE BACKYARD AND THE FRONT YARD OF YOUR OFFICE BUILDING WAS, IS PREFERRED. BUT AGAIN, I, I, I WOULD DEFER TO THE PLANNER ON THAT. OKAY. THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS THE LETTER. WHAT IS THE WOOD DIMENSION WHEN THE WOOD IS DELIVERED? IS IT OH, THE RAW MATERIAL? WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IS THE RAW MATERIAL. IS IT EIGHT FOOT LENGTHS OF WOOD THAT BEING SPLIT OR IS IT IT'S 14 INCH LENS, SO 14 INCH LENGTHS.

SO THEY'RE COMING AS LOGS AND THEY'RE JUST GOING THROUGH A SPLITTER AND THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. CAN I JUST I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION. I HAVE NOTES HERE THAT THERE WERE DIMENSIONS OF FOUR FEET BY THREE FEET. SO THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH. SO THE, THE, THE WITNESS PRIOR TO ME WAS ANSWERING A QUESTION. AND I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LENGTH AND I DID HEAR FOUR FEET. SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. THE LAW. SO I THE RAW MATERIAL THAT COMES IN IS SHOULD NOT BE 16IN BECAUSE THE BOX IS 16IN. SO WE HAVE IT CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE AT A LENGTH OF 14 TO 15IN. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SO

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HOW IS I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXHAUST THAT COMES OUT OF THIS. I WOULD DEFER TO THE PLANNER AND THE ENGINEER ON THAT. THERE'S THE THE WOOD IS BEING WARMED. NO, BUT IF YOU HAVE A FURNACE, THERE'S THERE'S CARBON BEING EMITTED. SO THE THE THE KILN IS NOT A FURNACE.

NOTHING IS NOTHING IS BEING COMBUSTED OR BURNED. SO THERE'S NO FURNACE. THERE'S NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO A FURNACE WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE IN A. A. I FORGET THE WORD, BUT THEY'RE CHANGING COMPOSITION. YEAH. THERE'S NO CHANGE. IT'S YOU'RE TAKING SOMETHING, YOU'RE WARMING IT. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE LIKE A MOLECULE STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER IT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM IS. SO THERE'S NO EXHAUST THAT COMES OUT OF THIS. THERE'S A VENT FOR THE THE CONDENSATION FROM THE WETNESS OF THE WOOD ESCAPING NO DIFFERENT THAN IF IT SAT IN YOUR BACKYARD FOR TWO YEARS. OKAY, LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT WE ALL SHARE THE THE ROADWAY. WELL, THE TOWN DOES NOT MAINTAIN IT OKAY. AND IT IS IN A SHAMBLES NOW. AND I'M WONDERING WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE REPAVED. WELL, I SHARE THAT CONCERN WITH YOU. BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE SEVEN, SEVEN VEHICLES COMING AND GOING EACH DAY. I HAVE. LIKE A FRACTION OF THAT. SO NO, BUT I HAVE A CAR. I DON'T HAVE BIG TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT WITH TONS OF WOOD. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP WITH YOU THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ROADWAY THAT OUR PROPERTIES ARE ON, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT FIVE HOMES THAT SHARE THAT ROAD. I HAVE FIVE HOMES RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE THE COMMON DRIVEWAY. SO THE TOWN CLAIMS THAT THIS DRIVEWAY IS OWNED BY THE DOT IT'S A SERVICE ROAD OR SOMETHING. AND I'VE TRIED TO CONTACT THEM AND I GOT NOWHERE. SO, SO I, I VERY MUCH LIKE TO ASSIST YOU AND MY NEIGHBORS WITH THAT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION FROM THE CITIZEN. OKAY.

OKAY. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AGAIN WITH THE THE QUESTION OF EMISSIONS EXHAUST, THERE IS A DEVICE THAT IS GAS POWERED IN THE KILN THAT IS MAKING HEAT. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE IS AN ESSENCE, A HEATER, A FURNACE, A BOILER, A BURNER, SOME DEVICE IN THE KILN PRODUCING HEAT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I BELIEVE THE QUESTION FROM THE CITIZEN WAS WHAT IS THE CO EMISSIONS OF THAT DEVICE. I WOULD HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY. RIGHT SIR. OKAY. I OBVIOUSLY. SO THAT'S SO THAT'S SPECIFICATIONS WILL WE WOULD THE CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED TO KNOW. RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD MEET IT MEETS NEW JERSEY EMISSION STANDARDS. YES. FOR ANY USE BASED ON THE PROXIMITY TO HIS PROPERTY. HE'S CONCERNED OF A 20 BASICALLY IN THEORY A 24 OVER SEVEN COMBUSTION MAKING ITEM RUNNING NEXT TO HIS HIS HOME. SO I SO WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THAT. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. KASPARIAN. OKAY, SO JUST AGAIN NAME, NAME, ADDRESS AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. SUSIE GODDING GODDING15 HAYNES AVENUE, MAHWAH, NEW JERSEY. THANK YOU. SO, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE KILN. I KNOW IT'S RUNNING ON A GAS LINE, BUT IS THERE LIKE A PILOT LIGHT OR ANY KIND OF FLAME THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT HEAT UP? WHEN YOU ANSWER A FEW? YEAH, YEAH. I. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I, I DON'T KNOW THE INNER WORKINGS OF HOW THE KILN WORKS.

YES, I, BUT THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION BECAUSE IT DOES BURN NATURAL GAS. SO YEAH. SO THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A FLAME THAT'S KEEPING THAT GOING. BUT THEN IF IT'S NOT BEING MONITORED AND ONLY MONITORED THROUGH AN APP LIKE MY 92 YEAR OLD FATHER IS TWO HOUSES AWAY, I, YOU KNOW,

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IF WE GET THERE AT 12 NOON, LOAD UP, MAYBE COMES BACK LATER THAT DAY AND LOADS UP FOR THE NEXT MORNING, MAYBE DOESN'T. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TWO DELIVERIES IN A DAY, BUT MOST DAYS IT'S ONCE OKAY. I. YEP, I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? OKAY, SO NOT SURE WHAT TO DO HERE. WE PROBABLY WE WERE PLANNING ON WRAPPING UP AT TEN. I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO PUT ON ANOTHER WITNESS 12 MINUTES OF QUESTIONS. YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT YOU DO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OTHER WITNESSES. SO WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T FINISH TONIGHT ANYWAYS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THE MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE BEFORE OR LISTENED TO THE TAPE.

AND I GUESS WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE FOR YOU TO COME BACK. RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW? I NEED FOR COUNCIL TO STIPULATE THAT HE WAIVED ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS. WE WE CONSENT TO ANY STATUTORY TIME CONSTRAINTS. WE UNDERSTAND. OKAY, MARY JO, HAVE WE GOT. TWO? DOES IT LOOK LIKE WE KNOW WHAT IT IS? THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE. OKAY, SO. OKAY, SO WE HAVE OCTOBER 21ST, SECOND HALF OF THAT MEETING. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION. FIRST. DOES IT WORK FOR. AND THEN YEAH, OCTOBER 21ST WOULD BE THE FIRST, THE NEXT OPTION. SO I'M IN A RUSH. IF THERE WAS ANOTHER DATE AVAILABLE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YOU MEAN BEFORE THE 21ST OF OCTOBER? NO, NO. WHERE WE HAVE THE WHOLE MEETING. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE THE WHOLE MEETING ON THE DELAY? SOUNDED LIKE MR. BRODERICK SAID HE'S IN A RUSH.

NO RUSH, NO. NO RUSH, NO RUSH. YOU'LL CONSENT TO A FURTHER DELAY OR FURTHER EXTENSION TO GET A SOLD BE FIRST UP AT LEAST. OKAY. YEAH, WE HAVE A ON THE FOURTH WE HAVE A NOTE HERE THAT THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER DOCKET, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT CONFIRMED IN. MARY JO IS SITTING IN FOR MICHEL. SO MICHELLE WOULD PROBABLY KNOW BETTER ON THAT. RIGHT. OR JERRY. RIGHT. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WILL BE TRAVELING FROM THE 27TH THROUGH THE 11TH OF NOVEMBER. OKAY. SO I WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE ON THE FOURTH. I WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE 21ST OF OCTOBER. I WILL BE BACK IN TOWN ON THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER, AND THEN I'M NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 2ND OF DECEMBER UNTIL THE 16TH. JUST SO YOU KNOW, MY MY SCHEDULE, AS YOU KNOW, MY MY SCHEDULE. RIGHT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE COURTESY OF THAT.

THANK YOU. SIR. DOES THE THE 1ST NOVEMBER. OKAY. THE THE 18TH MAY BE ADJOURNED BECAUSE IT'S THE LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES. RIGHT. YEAH I KNOW YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRY THAT. YEAH. I THINK THE FIRST IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR ME. I'M NOW LOOKING AT

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THAT STILL WORKS FOR ME. I'M NOT ON CHRISTMAS BREAK YET. MY KIDS ARE STILL IN SCHOOL. BUT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN EVENING WHERE YOU HAVE THE WHOLE EVENING? IDEALLY, YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU GUYS, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BEST BET BECAUSE WE HAVE STUFF MOVING AROUND. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO DO ANY NOTICE OR THIS NOTICE? OKAY. PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE'RE BACK ON DECEMBER 16TH. OKAY. I GUESS EXTENSION OF TIME. HE'S CONSENTED ON THE RECORD. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. OKAY. SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON DECEMBER 16TH.

YOU WILL. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

IS THAT YOUR PHONE OR JUST A MATERIAL FROM ALL THESE MEETINGS? MY PHONE. THIS IS

[VII. WORK SESSION]

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T HOLD YOU UP FOR ANYTHING.

OKAY? OKAY. AND YOU CAN WATCH IT IF YOU WANT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY RIVETING. IT'S ONE OF THOSE. IT'S LIKE REACHER OR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? I DO WANT TO BE. BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I DO WANT TO THANK MR. SERNA AND MR. CARNEY FOR TAKING THE TIME TO WATCH THOSE. THE LAST TESTIMONY. I APPRECIATE THAT A LOT. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MR. SITAR LISTEN TO THIS AND HE'LL BE ELIGIBLE. AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER PERSON WOULD BE. JP AND SEE WHAT HE'S DOING. IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE, IS THERE ANYTHING. WELL, YOU KNOW MIKE AT THE END OF IT. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS APPLICATION WRAPPED UP BY THE 16TH. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WILL CREATE A DIFFERENT SITUATION. RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH. HOPEFULLY THEY CAN GET EVERYTHING DONE IN THAT MEETING. WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TWO AND A HALF OR THREE HOURS. SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY. YEAH. THEY GOT TWO MORE TWO MORE WITNESSES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. YES. LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN, MR. TAYLOR. SECOND. MR. CARNEY, ALL IN FAVOR? I THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.