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AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS REGULARLY SCHEDULED. COMBINED WORK SESSION AND PUBLIC MEETING OF THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY SENDING NOTICE TO THE RECORD AND THE RIDGEWOOD NEWS AND POSTING NOTICE ON THE BULLETIN BOARD OF THE HONORABLE RICHARD J. MARTEL MUNICIPAL CENTER, LOCATED AT 475 CORPORATE DRIVE, MAHWAH.
ELECTRONIC NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED BY POSTING THE AGENDA ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE. FORMAL ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING SHALL BE AVAILABLE IN THE OFFICE OF THE TOWNSHIP CLERK. THIS MEETING IS BEING VIDEOTAPED. WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WOULD YOU ALL REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR VETERANS, BOTH LIVING AND DECEASED, WHO HAVE SERVED AND ARE SERVING BOTH HERE AND ABROAD? FOR WITHOUT THEIR VALOR, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MEET HERE IN FREEDOM TONIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL HERE? MR. ERVIN HERE. MR. FERGUSON ABSENT.
MR. MAY HERE. MRS. PAUSE HERE. AND MR. WONG IS ABSENT. OKAY. JUST ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION BEFORE WE START. YOU NOTICE THAT THERE'S NOTHING ON LEGAL. BUT WE NEEDED TO ADD SOMETHING TO LEGAL. SO SUE WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE OR TWO AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH
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ENGINEERING. SO FIRST THING IS THE SUBMISSION OF BILLS AND CLAIMS. IF ANYONE HAS ANY[ENGINEERING]
QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO BEN. NEXT, WE HAVE ENGINEERING. MIKE, TAKE IT AWAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR REQUEST FOR THE AUTHORIZATION OF A ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY FOR THE WELL AT A SITE. SO SINCE WE GOT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THIS AND THE AMOUNT OF 800 000 FOR A FROM A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY THEY DO REQUIRE A ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY TO BE DONE. WE HAVE A COPY. YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF OUR OF A SEPTEMBER 15TH PROPOSAL FROM RICHARD GRUBB AND ASSOCIATES TO PERFORM THAT WORK. AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO OUT THERE, THEY SEE IF THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE OF ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE. PHASE ONE IS JUST BASICALLY RESEARCH. THEY GO OUT THERE, THEY TAKE A LOOK, THEY DON'T DO ANY DIGGING. A FULL PHASE ONE IS WHERE THEY DO SOME SHOVEL TEST PITS, WHERE THEY GO DOWN ABOUT THREE FEET. AND, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY FIND SOMETHING? THERE'S A POTENTIAL THERE. YOU KNOW, THEY THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEYS DONE IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE TURNED UP SOME ARCHEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS, SOME DIGGING TOOLS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY FIND SOMETHING WE GOT TO, WE GOT TO ADDRESS IT. I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THE FULL PHASE ONE IN THE TO SAVE SOME TIME. OPTION ONE IS JUST THE PHASE ONE. A THAT'S IN THE AMOUNT OF 700, I'M SORRY, $7,385. THE FULL PHASE ONE WOULD BE $11,925. BASED ON MY EVALUATION OF PAST REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THAT AREA, I THINK THERE'S THERE'S GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY GO BEYOND A PHASE ONE A SO INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM DO A PHASE ONE A TO COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO A FULL PHASE ONE. AND IT WOULD COST MORE THAN THE ADDITIONAL $4,000. SO WE'D SAVE SOME MONEY BY DOING THAT. AND THE RESULTS ARE THEY COULD BE A FEW THINGS. OUR FOOTPRINT IS PRETTY SMALL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING A WELL HOUSE AND THEN TO INSTALL A WATER MAIN FROM THE WELL HOUSE TO WASHINGTON LANE. SO THE FOOTPRINT OF DISTURBANCE IS NOT HUGE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO AROUND IN THE AREAS THAT WE PROPOSE TO DISTURB. AND THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OUTCOMES. ONE CAN BE THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING AND NO FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED. NEXT THING WOULD BE THEY MAY FIND SOMETHING AND WE HAVE TO TAKE PROTECTIVE MEASURES DURING CONSTRUCTION.THEY DID FIND STUFF WHEN THEY DID A ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY FOR REPLACING THE GAS MAIN THAT WAS OUT THERE, AND WHAT THEY HAD TO DO WAS PUT DOWN SOME TEMPORARY MATTING SO THAT THEY DIDN'T
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DISTURB THOSE AREAS. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. ONE MIGHT BE SHIFTING THE IMPROVEMENTS TO AN AREA WHERE NOTHING WAS ENCOUNTERED. THAT'S AN OPTION. AND THE THIRD WOULD BE ADDITIONAL EXPLORATION, EXPLORATION AND EVALUATION. I'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO THIS, THIS SUBCONTRACTOR THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO REPORT AFTER REPORT AFTER REPORT. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS LET'S GET IT DONE ONCE AND THAT'S IT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO JUST ADD ON AND KEEP KEEP BUILDING. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 15TH PROPOSAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $11,925. OKAY. AND THEN OUR LAST ITEM IS OUR VERBAL STATUS REPORT. I'LL JUST REPORT ON A FEW THINGS. THE CULVERT IS STARTING ON MONDAY, SO ANYBODY IF IF EVERYBODY COULD SPREAD THE WORD. WE'RE CLOSING DOWN FARDALE AVENUE BETWEEN WEST ROAD AND PENDLETON ROAD. WE'VE MADE THE BOARD OF ED AWARE. WE'VE CLOSELY COORDINATED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. MONDAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE, SHUT DOWN THE ROAD. THEY'RE GOING TO MOBILIZE THEIR EQUIPMENT TUESDAY. THEY'LL STILL BE MOBILIZING. WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO FOLLOW THE DETOURS. AND DETOURS ARE A LITTLE LENGTHY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT.I DROVE THEM TODAY. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. AND THIS THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE CLOSED FROM MONDAY TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, MAYBE SOONER WE GET IT OPEN BACK UP ONCE THE CULVERTS REPLACED AND AND THEN WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. SO JUST EXPECT DELAYS AND AVOID THE AREA IF YOU CAN. IMPROVEMENTS TO CORPORATE DRIVE. I'M JUST WAITING ON DOTTIE. AND THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO BID ON THAT. FOR THE ROAD PROGRAM, WE HAVE A FEW PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED. WE HAVE A SECTIONS OF CURB TO DO ON ISLAND ROAD. THERE'S TWO AREAS THERE THAT WE HAVE TO DO. WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK UP ON AIRMOUNT ROAD, AND WE HAVE TO PAVE A SECTION OF LITTLE YEAH, LITTLE LANE. SO ALL THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, WE MAY GET A. I KNOW THERE'S A NOR'EASTER THAT MAY BE COMING. SO WE JUST ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, DPW IS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, CLEARING DRAINS, MAKING SURE ALL THE SWALES ARE CLEAR. WE JUST RECOMMEND TO RESIDENTS THAT, HEY, IF THERE'S AN INLET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND IT'S CLOGGED WITH DEBRIS BEFORE THE STORM, DURING THE STORM, DON'T DO ANYTHING. IF IT'S IF IT'S CLOGGED WITH DEBRIS TODAY OR TOMORROW, LET THE DPW KNOW OR CALL MY OFFICE OR SEND ME AN EMAIL AND WE'LL GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. I LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF AREAS TODAY. EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD. BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THESE TYPES OF STORMS, WE HAVE TO KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON IT. YEAH.
AND MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'LL START. DAVE.
HEY, MIKE. HEY. JUST FOR THAT. SO FOR THAT, FOR THE CULVERT. I KNOW THERE WAS A TOWNSHIP FACEBOOK POST. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS A NIXLE. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR THERE MIGHT BE ONE PLANNED. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD DO ONE. AND WHAT ABOUT LIKE A REVERSE 911? I WAS THINKING WE COULD. I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF GOT WE CAN TARGET THE AREA BUT YEAH, WE. YEAH, BUT WE, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD SEND OUT A NIXLE. I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, I WOULD TRY TO AS MANY MODES OF COMMUNICATION AS POSSIBLE. YEP. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND THEN ASIDE FROM YOUR VERBAL STATUS REPORT, I WAS WONDERING THE, THE STATUS OF THE SIDEWALK PROJECT. FRANKLIN TURNPIKE YES.
PROJECT. SO WE'VE EVALUATED ALL THE SIDEWALKS. WE JUST GOT TO PUT PEN TO PAPER AND AT LEAST GET THE FIRST PHASE OF ADVISORY NOTICES OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. OKAY, THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY. JOHN. IT. HI, MIKE. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SOUTH RAILROAD DRAINAGE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THE FIRST PHASE, I THOUGHT, WAS TO ROUTE THE WATER COMING DOWN FROM A WINDOW. SO IT WASN'T IN PEOPLE'S YARDS, AND IT WOULD. AND YOU WOULD ROUTE IT DOWN KING STREET DOWN TO FRANKLIN TURNPIKE, CORRECT? YES. SO THAT'S NOT THE SOUTH RAILROAD JOB. THAT'S THE HILLSIDE AVE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO PHASE ONE. YEAH, YEAH. SO THE PHASE ONE OF THAT IS WRAPPING UP IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. WE EXPECT TO BE OUT TO BID PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THAT PHASE OF THAT PROJECT. SO MY QUESTION IS, I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE GOAL WAS TO TAKE THE WATER OUT OF PEOPLE'S YARDS. CORRECT. BUT NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WATER'S STAYING IN THEIR YARDS AND YOU'RE JUST PUTTING PIPES IN THE YARDS. IS THAT CORRECT?
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WELL, WE'RE GETTING IT OUT OF PEOPLE'S YARDS WHERE IT'S DIRECTED RIGHT AT THEIR HOUSE.WE'RE GOING TO ROUTE IT DOWN THERE, THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE, TO GET IT INTO THE ROADWAY.
RIGHT NOW FOR THE ONE PROPERTY ON HILLSIDE AVE, THERE'S A PIPE AT THE BACK OF THE PERSON'S PROPERTY THAT THEN RUNS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, AND IT ACTUALLY GOES ALMOST UNDER THEIR FOUNDATION. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO REROUTE THAT DOWN THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE. SO IF THERE IS AN OVERFLOW OR IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, IT'S GOING TO FLOW DOWN THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE AND NOT AT THE PERSON'S HOUSE. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET EVERYTHING INTO THE ROAD AS MUCH AS WE CAN. OKAY. BUT IT THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ONES, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S DITCHES. AND SO THERE'S, I, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE DITCHES AND EVERYTHING ARE GOING TO STAY. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE REPLACED BY PIPES. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO.
THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. SO THERE'S A ON A ROAD, THERE'S A SWALE OR A STONE LINED DITCH THAT RUNS OR CHANNEL THAT RUNS THROUGH SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY THAT WE'RE NOT REPLACING THAT WITH THE PIPE IN THE SAME LOCATION. WE'RE GOING TO REROUTE THAT TO BE DOWN THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE SO THEY DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S A SWALE OR A PIPE GOING ACROSS THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO GET IT TO THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE AND GO RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. TWO PROPERTIES I SEE. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE JUST TAKING THINGS DOWN PROPERTY LINES NOW INSTEAD. AND AND WHAT KIND OF PIPES ARE YOU GOING TO BE PUTTING UNDER THE THERE? I MEAN, HOW BIG ARE THESE PIPES? PROBABLY GOING TO BE 24 INCH DIAMETER PIPES AND BE BIG ENOUGH TO, TO HANDLE THE FLOW.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IN AN EIGHT INCH PIPE BECAUSE IT'S SMALLER AND LESS WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AND CHEAPER BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST OVERFLOW AND CAUSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. HAVE YOU NOTICED ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED? NOT YET. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET EASEMENTS FROM THEM. SO WE'LL WE DO HAVE TO COORDINATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THEM. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD PLAN SOMETHING IF WE HAVEN'T TOLD THE HOMEOWNERS WHAT'S HAPPENING FIRST. WELL, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. PART OF THE PROCESS IS GET THE DESIGN COMPLETE. AND THEN YOU APPROACH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU GET THE EASEMENTS AND GO FROM THERE. WHAT IF THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT? WELL, WE'RE HERE TO. THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO TO GRANT US AN EASEMENT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE GOING TO, BY MOVING THE PIPE, ARE GOING TO RESOLVE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE. SO IT'S TO THEIR BENEFIT BECAUSE I AGAIN, I THOUGHT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THE GOAL WAS TO GET THE WATER. SO IT WASN'T GOING THROUGH ANYBODY'S PROPERTY. IT WAS GOING TO REROUTE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WERE GOING TO REROUTE IT, BUT REROUTE IT SOMEHOW THAT IT WAS GOING DOWN THE STREETS AND THAT PROPERTY LINES, WE KEEP IT IN THE STREET AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES. WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE IT A BETTER SITUATION WHERE IT'S GOING DOWN SHARED PROPERTY LINES AND NOT STRAIGHT DIAGONALLY ACROSS SOMEBODY'S BACK PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. WARD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YES. GETTING BACK TO THE YOUR ONE A YES. SO? SO AFTER NOTICE OF PROCEED, WE INSTRUCT THEM TO PROCEED 4 TO 6 WEEKS. DOES THAT HURT US OR. NO.
WE'RE STILL ON TIME WITH OTHER PERMITS WE'RE GETTING FOR THE STATE. YES. YEP. YEAH. I THINK IT ALL IT ALL GOES TOGETHER. AND ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS THEY WRITE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING 100 ARTIFACTS. I THINK I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE IF THEY RECOVER 100 ARTIFACTS, I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO RECOVER 100. THE WORD IS ANTICIPATED.
WELL, BECAUSE I SAW THAT I SAW IT TOO. THEY DO. WE THINK 100 ARE GOING TO BE THERE. YEAH I DON'T I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE EVALUATION THAT WAS DONE FOR THE TENNESSEE GAS PIPELINE PROJECT, WHICH WAS A MUCH BIGGER AREA, THEY FOUND THREE. OH, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE AMBITIOUS. I DON'T I DON'T EXPECT THE RECOVERY UP TO 100 ARTIFACTS. I THINK THAT'S ANTICIPATED. YEAH. MAYBE IS ANTICIPATED IS WRONG. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, WHEN HE SAID IT TO AN OFF SITE LABORATORY FOR PROCESSING, WHAT ARE THEY ANALYZING AGE DATING IT OR WHAT'S THE ANALYTICAL? I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT. I'LL FIND THAT OUT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH OPTION NUMBER TWO. YES. YEP.
AND BLAH BLAH BLAH. AND THIS COVERS THE HISTORICAL THING TOO. OR THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS THE HISTORICAL THING. THIS. YEAH. THIS, THIS COVERS HISTORICAL. WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM HISTORICAL. THIS GOES TO NEW JERSEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW IT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN GO INTO YOUR PUNCH LIST. YEAH. LAWRENCE ROAD I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN PASSED AWAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT. SO WE'VE
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COMPANIES. YES. YEAH. HE'S BEEN DECLARED IN DEFAULT OR HIS COMPANY. THE COMPANY HAS BEEN DECLARED IN DEFAULT. WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE BONDING COMPANY ASKING FOR THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE BILLING. AND I KNOW THE TOWN'S ATTORNEY HAS ALSO SENT THE BONDING COMPANY A LETTER, PUTTING THEM ON NOTICE THAT WE'VE DECLARED THEM IN DEFAULT OF THEIR CONTRACT. SO IT'S GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT IS GOING TO BE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE THAT THE BONDING COMPANY HAS SOMEBODY THAT COMES OUT AND FINISHES IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK TO US FOR RECOMMENDATION ON WHO WE'D RECOMMEND TO FINISH IT. WE HAVE I HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHO I'D LIKE TO HAVE FINISH IT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS THAT I FEEL THAT ARE THAT'S WELL WITHIN THEIR ABILITY TO TO FINISH IT IN OUR IN OUR LETTER, WE, YOU KNOW, SAID WE WOULD PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. YEAH, I WOULD PREFER THAT. IS IT MORE PIPE THAN NEEDS TO BE LAID? NO, A MAJORITY OF THE PIPE. SO THEY HAD TO DO 1300FT OF PIPE. ALL THAT PIPE IS IN. THE ONLY THINGS THAT THEY THE THE LATERALS TO THE HOUSES ALSO WE HAVE TO TIE IT INTO THE WATER SYSTEM. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A STANDALONE PIPE. IT'S NOT TIED IN ANYWHERE. SO THE WORK YOU DID ON FRANKLIN TURNPIKE, IS THAT WHERE YOU WERE GOING TO HOOK IN? YEAH. SO WE HAD ACROSS FRANKLIN TURNPIKE, WE'RE RIGHT THERE. JUST NOT CONNECTED.WE'RE NOT CONNECTED YET. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION FIRST. WE HAD TO DO THE PRESSURE TEST AND THE BACTERIA TEST. THOSE HAVE BOTH PASSED. SO NOW THE LINE IS READY TO BE TIED INTO OUR SYSTEM. IT'S ALL IT'S ALL TESTED AND APPROVED. WE CAN TIE INTO OUR SYSTEM.
ONCE WE TIE INTO OUR SYSTEM, WE WOULD HAVE BOTH LINES WOULD BE LIVE. THE OLD SIX INCH LINE AND THE NEW EIGHT INCH LINE WOULD BE LIVE. AT THAT POINT, WE CAN TIE IN THE LATERALS FOR FOR EACH HOUSE, GET ALL THE LATERALS TIED IN. THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE CONNECTIONS TO NORTH HILLSIDE AVE. WE HAVE TO MAKE A CONNECTION AT WINTER STREET AND THEN A CONNECTION AT OLNEY ROAD.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE TAKE OFF THE SIX INCH LINE. THE SIX INCH, SIX INCH, SIX INCH LINE WILL BE DEAD. OKAY. SO THE WHEN YOU CONNECT INTO THE PIPE ON FRANKLIN TURNPIKE, IS IT A LIVE TAP OR ARE WE CUTTING OUT AND PUTTING A T IN THERE? OR IS IT DOING IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A LIVE TAP. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL KILL THE LINE, CONNECT IT AND THEN POWER, YOU KNOW, POWER BACK UP. AND HOW DO YOU KILL A LINE. NO VALVES. JUST JUST YEAH, YEAH. NO. WE TURN OFF A VALVE HERE. TURN OFF A VALVE THERE. THE LINE WILL BE DEAD. AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT THE SOUND LIKE JANET, PEOPLE ARE ASKING. PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THE ROAD CLOSED SIGN. I KNOW IT'S A GREAT DETERRENT TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE ROADS. YEP. BUT IT KIND OF LIKE EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON WITH OUR TOWN? WHY THIS ROAD CLOSED FOREVER? YEAH, WE DID MOVE UNSAFE FOR AVERAGE TRAVELERS. OR CAN WE GET RID OF THOSE SIGNS AND JUST WRITE CONSTRUCTION AHEAD? CAUTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. REAL CLOSE SOUNDS VERY YEAH, IT'S REALLY IT'S CLOSE TO IT'S OPEN TO LOCAL TRAFFIC. LOCAL TRAFFIC CAN GO THROUGH. WE'RE TRYING TO SIGN UP. IT SAYS LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME RESULT. I MEAN, WE, WE REALLY WE DON'T WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE IT. THERE'S EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. THERE'S, THERE'S PILES OF STONE, THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THE CONTRACTOR WAS ACTIVELY WORKING OUT THERE, I COULD GET HIM TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE STUFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY, HE'S NOT IN A POSITION TO GO OUT THERE AND MOVE STUFF. HIS COMPANY DEMOBILIZE ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT OR NO, NO, STILL THEY'RE STILL THERE. ALL THE EQUIPMENT'S THERE, THERE'S STONE, THERE'S PIPE. YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, WE, WE TOOK AWAY THE ROAD CLOSED SIGNS ON MILLER ROAD, BUT I WOULD JUST LEAVE THEM UP FOR NOW UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. AND WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS PERCENTAGE OF COMPLETION IS? 60%. I'D SAY 50%. I THINK 50%. 50% BASED ON THE LAST PAYMENT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAD, THERE WERE AT 48%. OKAY. SO HE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT. OKAY. AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS SWING, MAYBE THE LAWYER CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. HOW LONG IS THE PROCESS WITH A BONDING COMPANY? IS THIS LIKE A, A SIX MONTH, SIX MONTH TOOTHACHE? EXTRACTION? OR IT SHOULDN'T TAKE WEEKS AND IT SHOULD. YEAH. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG. IT DEPENDS ON THE THE PROJECT. BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SENT OUT OUR NOTICE, WHICH WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO IN SPITE OF THE SAD CIRCUMSTANCES EITHER FRIDAY OR MONDAY. AND THE SURETY HAD ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE TOWNSHIP. SO I THINK THEY'RE REALLY ON TOP OF IT. WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM SHORTLY. AND THE GOOD THING IS THAT THE WORK THAT'S REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE WATER MAIN IS RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT OF WORK. THE. SO WHEN I
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SAY THAT THEY'RE ROUGHLY 50% COMPLETE, WE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT TO MILL AND PAVE THE ROAD ONCE IT'S ALL DONE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO WAIT. RIGHT. WELL WE ARE WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL THE SPRING ON THAT. SO. AND PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THE WITH THE SURETY COMPANY, TAKE THAT PORTION OF THE WORK OUT OF THE PROJECT, DO IT AS PART OF OUR ROAD PROGRAM. SO WE'D HAVE. AND THAT WORK WAS ABOUT $100,000 TO MILL AND PAVE THE ROAD. SO WHILE I SAY WE'RE ABOUT 50% COMPLETE, JUST THE WATER MAIN WORK, THERE'S PROBABLY 25% REMAINING ON THAT. THE REMAINING 25% WOULD BE MILL AND PAVE, AND WE COULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY GET A BETTER PRICE PAVING IT OURSELVES. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PROJECT VALUE WAS AT 1.3 OR 1.0. IT WAS, I WANT TO SAY 400,000, LIKE 500, 000. RIGHT? IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHOLE PROJECT. YEAH. THAT'S IT. YEAH. I THINK IT WAS MORE CRAZY. ALL RIGHT. SO SO WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. WE'RE WE'RE OKAY, WE'RE OKAY. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT HAD TO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF IT HAD TO SIT FOR THREE MONTHS, IT'S ALL BUTTONED UP ENOUGH WHERE IT'S NOT A SAFETY HAZARD. THERE'S NO ISSUE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. I'M NOT ENCOURAGING THAT FOR THREE MONTHS. I'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ALL RIGHT, MIKE, ALL RIGHT. AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, PRESIDENT. EXCUSE ME, I.COUNCIL PRESIDENT I, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR NEW BUSINESS, BUT NOW I'M THINKING IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAT I ASK MIKE. CAN I ASK HIM? MIKE. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS AND I WAS GOING TO SAVE IT, BUT I THINK MAYBE YOU MIGHT BE THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER THESE.
ONE OF THEM IS THERE'S AN ELECTRONIC SPEED SIGN ON RIDGE ROAD SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THERE AROUND MARK TWAIN LANE. AND LIKE WHEN YOU HEAD FROM DARLINGTON AVE TOWARDS BETWEEN DARLINGTON AVE, TOWARDS RIDGE ROAD, THERE'S A SPEED SIGN IN THE SLOW LANE AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SLOW LANE. IT'S ELECTRONIC AND PEOPLE HAVE TO GO AROUND IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO GET AROUND IT. OH, THE SPEED TRAILER. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. CAN CAN WE GET RID OF THAT? OR WHY IS IT SITTING IN THE ROAD THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING AROUND IT AND HAVE TO GO IN THE MIDDLE? SOUNDS LIKE AN ADMINISTRATION.
YEAH. OH THAT'S ADMINISTRATION. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SEE, I WASN'T SURE, BUT I FIGURED I WOULD ASK YOU WHY YOU'RE HERE. SO OKAY, SO THAT'S ADMINISTRATION. I GOT ANOTHER ONE ON THE I. IT MIGHT BE YOU. OH OKAY. I'M NOT SURE. BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH SIGNS. SIGNS.
OKAY. I HAVE VIDEOS OF TRUCKS AND I CAN SHOW THEM TO YOU. MAKING U-TURNS BY THE WAREHOUSE ON MACARTHUR BOULEVARD, COMING DOWN THE HILL FROM ROUTE 17. AND THEN I. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I GOT TO SHOW YOU THE VIDEO, BUT LIKE ACTUALLY MAKING, NOT TURNING IN. I'M TALKING ABOUT A FULL U-TURN. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD PUT NO U-TURN SIGNS OVER THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MACARTHUR. SO THE TRUCKS DON'T DO THAT AND THEN TICKET THEM? IF THEY DO, I'LL SHOW YOU THE VIDEOS. WHICH PROPERTY? MIZUSHIMA BY RUSSO OR BY RUSSO. IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE U-TURNS? WELL, I HAVE I HAVE TWO VIDEOS. I HAVE ONE OF TRUCKS MAKING U-TURNS AND GOING ACROSS BOTH LANES ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN THEY'RE DOING SO. AND I ALSO HAVE A VIDEO OF TRUCKS TRYING TO TURN INTO RUSSO'S AND HAVING TO GO INTO THE FAST LANE TO MAKE TO MAKE THE TURN, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T MAKE THE FULL TURN. OKAY, I HAVE THOSE TWO VIDEOS. IF WE'RE GOING TO START PUTTING UP NO U-TURN SIGNS, WE HAVE TO HAVE REASONING AS FAR AS A REASON TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, IS IT CAUSING ACCIDENTS? IS IT CAUSING AN UNSAFE CONDITION? WELL, AN UNSAFE CONDITION. IF IT'S GOING ACROSS TWO LANES IT'S UNSAFE. YEAH. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN IT COULD BE AN UNSAFE CONDITION. WELL, I HAVE TWO VIDEOS FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEND THEM TO ME.
OKAY. AND AFTER I SEND THEM TO YOU, COULD YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? SURE, I THANK YOU. YEP. ALL RIGHT, MIKE, AND JUST SORRY IF YOU COULD JUST. AND WHEN YOU SEND ME THE VIDEOS, JUST LET ME KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WHAT BREAK IN THE ISLAND. THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THAT. WELL, ALL RIGHT, I'LL SEND YOU WHAT I GOT. I'LL I'LL DO IT NOW. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. ALL RIGHT. WELL YOU'LL SEE FROM THE VIDEO. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MIKE. JUST ONE REQUEST. MAYBE YOU COULD JUST STICK AROUND FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC PORTION. THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP. NO
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PROBLEM. ANSWER. THAT'S IT. SO NOW WE ARE UP TO LEGAL. GO AHEAD. SUE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT AT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON A NUMBER OF FORECLOSURES OF TAX SALE CERTIFICATES OWNED BY THE TOWNSHIP. AND I WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TONIGHT TO ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. IT'S MIDVALE MOUNTAIN ROAD, BLOCK ONE, LOT 158. THIS IS A PROPERTY WHERE[00:25:05]
WE HAVE FILED A FORECLOSURE COMPLAINT. AND THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE FORECLOSURE IS AN EXTENSIVE STATUTORY PROCESS, WOULD BE TO PUBLISH AND POST THE COMPLAINT, AMONG OTHER THINGS. HOWEVER, A NEIGHBOR TO THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S AN ADJOINING NEIGHBOR OR HOW CLOSE A NEIGHBOR SHE IS, BUT SHE HAS APPROACHED US AND IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE TAX SALE CERTIFICATE IN A PRIVATE TAX SALE, WHICH THE TOWNSHIP COULD DO. THE PRIVATE SALE WOULD BE AROUND $120,000, AND YOUR PLANNER HAS LOOKED AT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSTRAINED. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AT LEAST 15 ACRES, MAYBE LARGER THAN THAT. BEN, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT. ALL RIGHT.I KNOW THAT IT'S IN THE PRESERVATION AREA PROTECTION ZONE OF THE HIGHLANDS AND IT'S CRITICAL HABITAT AND, YOU KNOW, VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSTRAINED. SO YOU HAVE KIND OF TWO OPTIONS. SO I NEED WE NEED SOME INFORMAL DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. YOU COULD EITHER HOLD ON TO THE TAX SALE CERTIFICATE. YOU COULD FORECLOSE ON THE PROPERTY YOURSELF. SO YOU WOULD EVENTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY. THEN YOU COULD SELL IT, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT. YOU WOULD HAVE THIS PIECE OF CONSTRAINED PROPERTY, OR YOU COULD COULD AUTHORIZE SELLING THE TAX SALE CERTIFICATE TO THIS PERSON. THEN SHE WOULD TAKE OVER RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY TAXES. SHE WOULD THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FORECLOSING ON THE PROPERTY TO EVENTUALLY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT. AND IF YOU CHOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE, YOU WOULD KEEP ALL OF THE MONEY, THE $120,000, BECAUSE THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOLS HAVE GOTTEN PAID ALL ALONG THE WAY, THAT NEVER WENT AWAY. JANET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU'RE CRAZY, LIKE I'M CRAZY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT TO BID FOR EVERYBODY ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATE, IS IT? THAT'S NOT HOW A TAX. WELL, I KNOW THAT. I'VE SEEN THEM IN THE NEWSPAPERS. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT READ THE NEWSPAPERS, AND THEY DO GO OUT THAT PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO BID ON IT. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD AT THE TAX SALE. THAT'S AN ACTUAL TAX SALE.
THIS IS NOT THAT. THIS IS WAY AFTER THE FACT. OKAY, SO WAIT A MINUTE. SO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. SO I UNDERSTAND IT. THIS THING WENT OUT TO A TAX SALE AND NOBODY WANTED TO BUY THE LIEN. THE TOWNSHIP OWNS THE TAX CERTIFICATE. BUT SO WHY CAN'T WE PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE? WHY ARE WE PICKING ONE PERSON? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HAS OPTED TO FORECLOSE ON THE PROPERTY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU COULD SELL THE PROPERTY IF YOU WANT. YOU COULD AUCTION THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER YOU WANT ONCE YOU HAVE OWNERSHIP OF IT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PEOPLE INTERESTED IN BUYING THIS TAX LIEN OR WHATEVER IT IS. WHY ARE WE JUST LETTING ONE PERSON HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY? WELL, YOU'RE NOT LETTING ONE PERSON THIS IS JUST AN OPTION. I, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT OUT THERE. AND THEN THERE COULD BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY IT. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST DECIDE, OH, THIS PERSON APPROACHED US, SO LET'S LET THEM DO IT. THAT TO ME, DOESN'T SOUND FAIR. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THIS. WELL, HOW LONG HAVE WE HAD HAD THIS TAX CERTIFICATE? DO YOU HAVE THAT DATE? NO, NO. YOU'RE PUBLICIZING IT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD OF IT. AND PROBABLY MANY PEOPLE THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER HEARD OF IT. IF YOU MAKE IT PUBLIC AND NOBODY ELSE COMES FORWARD, THEN FINE. BUT IF OTHER PEOPLE COME FORWARD, I DON'T THINK THIS IS FAIR. I JUST ASK, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO A TAX LIEN SALE, CORRECT? YES. NOBODY BID ON IT OR SOMEBODY BID ON IT. NO, WE HAVE IT. SO NOBODY BID ON IT.
WE HAVE IT. YEAH. WE DECIDED TO TAKE IT. SO YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT IT. THEY COULD HAVE BOUGHT THE ATTACHED CERTIFICATE. RIGHT? RIGHT. WHEN WAS THE LAST SALE THAT IT WAS OFFERED AT? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WORD. THERE'S NO PAPERWORK ON THIS. RIGHT. I'M JUST NOT HERE. NOT NOW. THE DAY IS TONIGHT. NO, WE CAN GET IT FOR YOU. IT WOULD BE NICE. YEAH. IF YOU COULD SEND US THE NAME OF THE PAPERWORK. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE TONIGHT. CORRECT. NO. YOU DON'T. WE'RE JUST. YEAH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SORT OF THOUGHTS ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I THINK JANET WANTS TO GO AHEAD. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO ALTHOUGH THERE'S ALL THESE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE, CAN WE DO LIKE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH THIS PROPERTY? BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST, NOT JUST TAX LIENS, BUT I KNOW THE TOWN HAS SOLD OFF PROPERTIES AND THEN MAYBE IT GOT SUBDIVIDED AND DEVELOPED.
AND SO WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET OUR MAXIMUM, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT. SO I'M ASSUMING THIS PERSON IS
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PROBABLY AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER OR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO THEY'RE JUST LOOKING TO ADD TO THEIR PROPERTY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN'T BE BECOME SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T EXPECT SOME SORT OF SOME SORT OF DEED RESTRICTION. DARLENE SAID THE THE PROPERTY IS IN THE PRESERVATION AREA. THE ENTIRE SITE IS CONSIDERED A CRITICAL HABITAT FOR A VARIETY OF SPECIES. THE ENTIRE SITE IS ALSO CLASSIFIED AS A TOTAL FOREST AREA AND A FOREST RESOURCE AREA. 7.12 ACRES OF THE SITE ARE SEVERELY CONSTRAINED. SLOPES AND 8.577 ACRES ARE PRIME GROUNDWATER RECHARGE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THAT. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THERE. BUT YOU SAID IT WAS 15 ACRES AND SEVEN ACRES OF IT IS HAS AT LEAST AT LEAST YEAH. RESTRICTIONS. HE COULD HE COULD BUILD A HOUSE ON 20,000FTā !S. YEAH. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THIS SOUNDS YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION. YEAH, SURE. BUT BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT ADJACENT, YOU KNOW. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I IT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD TO ME. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING MAYBE I WANT TO BUY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNEW YOU WANTED IT. WELL, I NEVER HEARD OF IT. AND I'M SURE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC NOTICE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE FAIRNESS. IS THAT THE ATTORNEYS EXPLAIN IT'S NOT FAIR THAT WE'RE IT'S NOT FAIR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT. THAT'S TERRIBLE. RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS. SHE'S ASKING US WHAT? OUR PREFERENCES. WELL, I ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION. OKAY, MORE I AGREE. LET'S STOP THE THEATRICS AND CALM DOWN. OKAY, FINE. HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY, SO THAT'S IT FOR LEGAL, RIGHT? THAT IS IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, NOW, ADMINISTRATION, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REMOTELY AS EXCITING. ITEM TWO A IS TO PURCHASE VEHICLE EQUIPMENT AND PARTS THROUGH THE KERN COUNTY CO-OP. ITEM TWO B IS IS THE AWARD OF A BID FOR COAST TO COAST CLEANING SYSTEMS FOR THE BUILDING, CLEANING THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, CLEANING. THAT CONTRACT WAS UP. WE HAD 18 BIDDERS. IT WAS VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS OF WALKTHROUGHS AND REVIEW. ITEM TWO C IS AN INCREASE IN THE COLLIERS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHILE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FINISHED OUR ROUND FOUR STUFF, THERE'S STILL SOME SOME CLEANUP AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT DARLENE DOES PROVIDE. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE CONTRACT AVAILABLE FOR THAT ITEM TWO D IS TO APPLY FOR AND ULTIMATELY HOPEFULLY ACCEPT A LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT PROGRAM. WE DID THIS LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, THE YEAR BEFORE, AS WELL AS FOR ABOUT $120,000, OFFSETS A LOT OF EXPENSES FOR PROGRAMING AND AND WHATNOT IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. YEAH. AND ITEM TWO, TWO E IS THE REJECTION AND THE AUTHORIZATION TO GO BACK OUT TO BID FOR THE DPW UNIFORMS, RENTALS AND CLEANING SERVICES. BOTH BIDDERS THAT CAME IN WERE BOTH BIDS WERE FLAWED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULD NOT BE FIXED. SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT TO BID, WHERE THEY WILL HOPEFULLY RECTIFY THOSE FLAWS, AND WE CAN OFFER THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING OR THE MEETING AFTER THAT. WHAT'S THE FLAWS? SO I THINK ONE OF THEM, THEY WERE CHANGING DOCUMENTATION AND FORMS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF STATE BIDDING LAW. SO THEY WERE LIKE ECHOING THINGS OUT AND WRITING IN THEIR OWN VERBIAGE, WHICH YOU CANNOT DO. AND THEN THE LOW BIDDER I WAS DID NOT. THEY FAILED TO PROVIDE PART OF IT.PART OF A BID CAN BE YOU CAN WE WOULD LIKE THIS PRODUCT OR EQUIVALENT. THEY JUST SAID YES AND DID NOT PROVIDE WHAT THE EQUIVALENT WAS. SO LIKE I SAID, BOTH WERE FLAWED AND COULD NOT BE CURED IN TIME FOR FOR JUST THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE BID. SO WE'LL BE BACK SOON WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S IT FOR ADMINISTRATION. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BEN? YES. GO AHEAD MICHELLE. OKAY. YEAH. JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION REGARDING THE CLEANING SERVICE JUST FOR THIS BUILDING. CORRECT. WEREN'T THEY. HAVEN'T PAST SERVICES HELPED OUT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THIS IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT FOR THAT. OKAY. BUT THIS IS JUST FOR THIS BUILDING. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? WARD. YES, BEN, GETTING BACK TO THE CLEANING SERVICE FOR THE FOR THE TOWN HALL HERE. YOU KNOW, I READ THE REPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A SUBCOMMITTEE OF DEB BURNS AND JENNIFER MAGNUSON AND JOHN. SCORING WHATEVER. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS COAST TO COAST, OUR CURRENT GUY OR. NO, THIS IS THE NEW THIS WILL BE A
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NEW ONE. WAS THE PREVIOUS PERSON IN THE BIDDING LIST? I'M NOT SURE THEY WORE WARD I CAN I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. AND JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT WERE WE PAYING LAST YEAR PER YEAR? PRETTY SIMILAR, WASN'T IT? IT'S GOT TO BE IN RANGE. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S GOT TO BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF THIS. IT'S 40TH, 40, 40 AND SOME CHANGE. I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST YEAR OF THEIR CONTRACT. SO IT WAS 40 AND SOME CHANGE OR OKAY HAD TO BE. AND THEY WERE GOOD. THEY WERE GOOD.ACTUALLY. I WAS VERY WE WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THEM. BID I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE LIST RIGHT NOW. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THEM. THAT'S WHY. OKAY. AND I ASSUME WE WERE HAPPY WITH THE PREVIOUS. WE WERE AFTER AND THERE WERE THERE WERE SEVERAL BEFORE THAT THAT WE WERE NOT HAPPY WITH. SO THIS ROOM HAS BEEN CLEANER, HAS NEVER BEEN CLEANER. I KNOW. I THINK IT'S WELL AND, AND AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED AND YOU KNOW, IT SAID IN THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID A POINT SYSTEM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POINTS ARE. THEY GOT EVALUATED BUT WE DON'T KNOW. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE POINTS FOR EACH PERSON. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO GOT THE 300 POINT SCORE. BUT WE'VE WE'VE NORMALLY JUST DONE THE, THE SUMMARY PAGE. YEAH. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE THE TOTAL POINTS, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY LIKE WHO VOTED FOR WHAT. IT DOES HAVE THE POINTS. IT HAS TOTAL, IT HAS THE POINTS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE IT BY PERSON. YEAH. IT DOES. YEAH. EVALUATION. YEAH. WHATEVER. ALL RIGHT. WELL AS LONG AS YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THEM, I GUESS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE WE WON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A THERE'S A RAMP UP WHEN WE GET A NEW COMPANY IN AND AND THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT WE WHAT WE WANT AND HOW WE WANT IT DONE. SO. ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN GO INTO THE SECOND ITEM. WHY ARE WE OVER THE THRESHOLD OF THE BID? WHAT.
EXPLAIN THE CRITERIA TO ME. SO THE BID THRESHOLD IS WHAT IS IT, 41,000. I THOUGHT IT WAS 53 NOW.
OH YEAH. SORRY. IT IS UP TO 53 NOW. CORRECT. I WAS ON I WAS ON LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS. IT JUST, IT JUST, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO PUT IN TO THE GOVERNING BODY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'LL BE USING THE CO OP. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE TO BE. SO WE'RE USING THE CO-OP IN IN LIEU OF BIDDING. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY.
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THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE UP TO TOWNSHIP COUNCIL. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. THREE A IS PERMISSION TO POST SIGNS AND MUNICIPAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR MAHWAH SCHOOLS FOUNDATION FOR THE THUNDER SHIP RUN COMING UP IN NOVEMBER 2026. GREAT EVENT. THE NEXT ITEM IS LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWAL FOR 26 AND 27. ALICE EL TECA. AND NOW THAT BRINGS US UP TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC PORTION. MAY I GET A[PUBLIC PORTION ]
MOTION TO OPEN? SO MOVED. SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. PRIOR TO SPEAKING, EACH SPEAKER SHALL PROVIDE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS. HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE A TOWNSHIP RESIDENT WHO HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY THE OFFICE OF INFORMATION PRIVACY AS A COVERED PERSON UNDER DANIEL'S LAW, DO NOT PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS. MAHWAH RESIDENTS SHALL SPEAK FIRST IN THIS PUBLIC PORTION. SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ABOUT ANY TOPIC. SPEAKER MUST DIRECT DIRECT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE NO BACK AND FORTH DIALOG BETWEEN THE SPEAKER AND REPRESENTATIVES ON THE DAIS. WHEN THE SPEAKER IS FINISHED WITH THEIR STATEMENT OR QUESTIONS, THE COUNCIL WILL RESPOND AS APPROPRIATE. EACH SPEAKER SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. WHEN THREE MINUTES EXPIRES, COUNCIL WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. THIS PUBLIC PORTION SHALL BE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES. SPEAKERS MAY ONLY SPEAK ONCE DURING EACH PUBLIC PORTION. WE ARE NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. YOU HAVE TO GET CLOSE. HAVE TO GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. I THINK IT'S ON. I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THAT ENGINEER WHEN YOU NEED ONE.IT'S. I SEE THE GREEN LIGHTS ON. THERE WE GO. OKAY. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS BRUCE MARTIN, 19 SANDBERG COURT IN MAHWAH. BEFORE I. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL. I HAVE A PETITION AND SOME PHOTOGRAPHS I'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD. WHO SHOULD I GIVE IT TO? YOU CAN BRING THAT UP TO OUR CLERK. INCLUDED IN THE
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PACKET IS CONTACT INFORMATION FOR MYSELF. IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHO WOULD BE RESPONDING TO THAT AFTER I GIVE THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I AM STANDING HERE TONIGHT TO FORMALLY PRESENT A PETITION SIGNED BY 25 RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS WHO ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT AN ONGOING PUBLIC NUISANCE AND SEVERE PROPERTY NEGLECT.LOCATED AT FIVE STORMS DRIVE FOR AN EXTENDED DURATION, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN LEFT COMPLETELY ABANDONED TO THE ELEMENTS. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PETITION DETAILS AND ACCOMPANYING PHOTOGRAPHS, THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY FEATURES EXCESSIVELY OVERGROWN GRASS AND WEEDS THAT FAR EXCEED THE TEN INCH MAXIMUM LIMIT PERMITTED UNDER MAHWAH PROPERTY GUIDELINES. FURTHERMORE, THE LOT HAS ACCUMULATED FALLEN DEAD TREES, ROTTING ROTTING TIMBER AND DENSE, UNMANAGED BRUSH. THIS IS NOT JUST A COSMETIC ISSUE. THE ONGOING NEGLECT IS A DIRECT VIOLATION OF MAHWAH TOWN CODE CHAPTER THREE, WHICH GOVERNS POLICE REGULATIONS FOR BRUSH, GRASS AND WEEDS. BY LEAVING THIS PROPERTY UNMANAGED, IT CREATES THREE DISTINCT HAZARDS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AN ACTIVE FIRE HAZARD DUE TO THE HEAVY ACCUMULATION OF DRY DEAD TIMBER RIGHT NEXT TO OUR HOMES. A PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT BY PROVIDING A DANGEROUS BREEDING GROUND AND HARBOR FOR RODENTS, TICKS AND OTHER PESTS. A SAFETY CRISIS BY OBSTRUCTING CRITICAL VISUAL SIGHTLINES FOR DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS TAXPAYING RESIDENTS, WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL INFORMAL AVENUES TO RESOLVE THIS. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S QUALITY OF LIFE AND SAFETY ARE ACTIVELY DETERIORATING. THEREFORE, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE TOWNSHIP CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ISSUE AN IMMEDIATE FORMAL WARNING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IF THE OWNER FAILS TO COMPLY, WE URGE THE TOWNSHIP TO EXERCISE ITS LEGAL RIGHT UNDER SECTION 3-4.43-6.4 OF THE TOWN CODE TO STEP IN, CLEAR THE HAZARDOUS VEGETATION AND BRUSH AND PLACE A MUNICIPAL LIEN ON THE PROPERTY TO RECOVER THE COSTS. WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WE EXPECT OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES TO BE ENFORCED TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES AND OUR PROPERTY VALUES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROPERTY. PROMPT ATTENTION TO RESTORING THE SAFETY AND STANDARDS OF MAHWAH. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JASON. OKAY. MY NAME IS MIKE TILLISON AND I AM AT TEN SANDBERG COURT. I'M HERE TO KIND OF ECHO AND SUPPORT WHAT BRUCE MARTIN HAS ALREADY SAID. WE'VE HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROPERTY AT FIVE STORMS. IT'S UNMAINTAINED, IT'S IN TERRIBLE CONDITION. AS BRUCE HAD STATED, MOST OF THE TREES ARE DEAD. I HAD BEEN HERE A LITTLE OVER A AGO TO YEAR COMPLAIN TO THE TOWN INSPECTOR. THAT ONE TREE THAT WAS SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD WAS SO DEAD IT WAS GOING TO COLLAPSE. I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO COLLAPSE. THE HOMEOWNER HAD PUT A LADDER UP AGAINST IT AND LASHED IT TO THE TREE, HOPING THAT WOULD HOLD IT UP. WELL, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE A FEW WEEKS AGO IT COLLAPSED INTO THE ROAD. AND THANK GOD NOBODY WAS HURT. BUT I'M AFRAID IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THERE'S JUST THIS HOMEOWNER IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE'D APPRECIATE IF WE COULD GET SOME HELP TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A SAFE YARD AND A SAFE HOUSE, AND SAFE FOR THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE ELSE, MAY I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE? MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, I, I GUESS MIKE WILL ADDRESS THIS. I CAN ADDRESS THIS, THIS THIS IS NOT UNKNOWN TO US. THIS GUY HAS. IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE TOWN FOR QUITE A WHILE. I, I'VE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTOR ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. I'LL REVIEW IT AGAIN WITH THEM TOMORROW BASED ON MY LAST DISCUSSION WITH THEM. I KNOW IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ISSUED SUMMONSES FOR THESE VIOLATIONS. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS NOT ALWAYS AS QUICK AS WE WOULD LIKE. AND YOU KNOW, IT GOES
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THROUGH IT GOES THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHOLE PROCESS. AND I AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THIS GUY HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A WHILE. AND BUT LET ME RE REREVIEW IT WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND, AND GET SOME ACTION AND I'LL REPORT BACK TO ADMINISTRATION ON THIS, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT. IT'S JUST THE THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE ARE NOT AS FAST AS, AS I WOULD LIKE. AND I'M SURE AS THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE. BUT LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE IT ALONG FASTER. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE MR. MARTIN'S INFORMATION TO YOU FROM. THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUICK QUESTION, QUICK QUESTION, QUICK QUESTION. GO AHEAD. SO CAN CAN THESE RESIDENTS OPRAH THOSE SUMMONSES. YEAH THEY CAN. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN DOES SINCE THOSE SUMMONSES WERE ISSUED, DOES THAT RESTRICT US FROM CONTINUING TO ISSUE SUMMONS. IF THEY HAVEN'T IF THEY HAVEN'T CURED IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ISSUED SUMMONSES AND MAY BE TIME FOR HIM TO REISSUE APPEAR TO COURT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T I DON'T THINK WE CAN ISSUE SUMMONSES ON TOP OF SUMMONSES. I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE RESOLVED FIRST. OKAY, BUT IT. BUT THERE MIGHT BE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE MORE ISSUES BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE THE PROPERTIES OF THOSE ISSUES.
WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE. SO LET ME LET ME FOLLOW UP AND I'LL REPORT TO
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ADMINISTRATION. OKAY? OKAY. YEP. OKAY. NOW WE ARE UP TO OUR PUBLIC MEETING. WE HAVE[APPROVAL OF BILLS AND CLAIMS]
APPROVAL OF BILLS AND CLAIMS. ANYONE WISH TO MOVE THOSE. SO MOVED. SECOND, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? YES. ROLL CALL PLEASE. YES, YES. MR. DONEGAN. YEAH. I ABSTAIN FROM 1326, WHICH IS PO22648. OTHER THAN THAT, I APPROVE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT ONE ITEM.MRS. PAZ YES. MR. MAY YES. AND MR. IRVIN YES. OKAY. NOW WE'RE UP TO APPROVAL OF MEETING
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MINUTES, THE COMBINED WORK SESSION AND PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2026 MOTION AS DESCRIBED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT, SECOND ROLL CALL, MR. LIMA. YES, MR. DUNNIGAN, I GUESS I WOULD ABSTAIN BECAUSE I HAD TO LEAVE EARLY THAT NIGHT, SO. OH, YEAH.OKAY. MRS. PAZ YES. MR. MAY. YES. AND MR. IRVIN. YES. AND APPROVAL OF THE CLOSED SEASON MEETING MINUTES. CLOSED SESSION. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE UP TO REPORTS OF OUR TOWNSHIP
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COUNCIL AND MUNICIPAL CLERK. YES. I ATTENDED THE NINE OVER 11 COMMEMORATION CEREMONY ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH TO OBSERVE THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NINE OVER 11 TERROR ATTACKS AND HONOR THE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN KILLED AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SITE, THE PENTAGON AND ON FLIGHT 93 IN PENNSYLVANIA. I ATTENDED THE SENIOR PICNIC HOSTED BY THE REC COMMITTEE ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH. THE BARBECUE WAS TERRIFIC. IT WAS A FUN TIME FOR ALL.THANK YOU TO THE REC COMMITTEE FOR HOSTING THE EVENT AND I ATTENDED THE END OF SUMMER ICE CREAM SOCIAL AT THE SENIOR CENTER ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND. THE BAND, FOREVER YOUNG WAS GREAT AND SO WERE THE ICE CREAM SUNDAES. AND THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU. SHORT REPORT.
I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT OUR REC DEPARTMENT CHAIR, MARYBETH DUFFY, AND OUR OR OUR. AND OUR ASSISTANT, ANDREA D'ALESSIO, SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF THE DAY TODAY. I THINK THAT BURNS HELPED OUT ALSO OF MAKING VETERANS PARK BEAUTIFUL. TOMORROW DURING THE DAY, LIGHT TAKE A RIDE BY. IT CAME OUT AWESOME. THANK YOU LADIES. THAT'S MY END OF MY REPORT, MRS. PAZ. OKAY, THANK YOU TO ALL POLICE, FIRE, EMS, DPW, TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES AND COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS. ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, I ATTENDED THE TOWNSHIP'S NINE OVER 11 CEREMONY AT COMPANY TWO. I HOPE ALL WHO CELEBRATED AND ENJOYED THE JEWISH NEW YEAR AND HAD AN EASY FAST. ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, I ATTENDED ACCESS FALLS MINI GOLF EVENT AND TOOK PICTURES ON BEHALF OF MCN. ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, I TOOK SOME PHOTOS FOR MCN OF COFFEE WITH A COP AT C CORPS. ALSO ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH. IT WAS THE OPENING DAY OF ALL STAR SOCCER. THANK YOU TMY SB AND COACH TOM MURPHY FOR FACILITATING THIS WONDERFUL PROGRAM FOR OUR ACCESS FOR ALL FAMILIES AND OTHER SPECIAL ATHLETES. SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER
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20TH WAS THE COLLABORATIVE MAHWAH ELKS AND ACCESS FOR ALL SPECIAL CHILDREN'S PICNIC AT THE MAHWAH ELKS LODGE AND A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE PROFILES WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGENT C, P, AND H. PLEASE MAKE SURE TO UPDATE YOUR PROFILE BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. FOLKS WHO HAVE APPLIED TO CGP AND H IN PRIOR YEARS WILL HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ASKING THEM TO UPDATE, AND THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU. MR. MAY. THANK YOU. SHORT REPORT. I ALSO ATTENDED THE NINE OVER 11 CEREMONY. IT WAS VERY WELL DONE. VERY MOVING CEREMONY. SPEAKERS WERE FANTASTIC AND I DO LIKE THE THE NEW LOCATION CONSIDERING THERE IS A PIECE OF THE TWIN TOWERS AT COMPANY TWO. SO JUST THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT CAME AND ATTENDED AND NEVER FORGET. AND THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. ERVIN. YES, I TOO ATTENDED THE NINE OVER 11 CEREMONY, PARTICULARLY VERY POIGNANT. I WAS QUITE MOVED WITH ESPECIALLY WHEN DOUG BURNS GOT UP AND SPOKE, LITERALLY BROUGHT ME TO TEARS. AND I THANK HIM FOR SHARING THAT EXPERIENCE. I KNOW IT WASN'T EASY. SEPTEMBER 14TH I ATTENDED THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING MEETING. NOT MUCH WAS GOING ON THERE, MOSTLY HOUSEKEEPING DUTIES AND A COUPLE OF THINGS COMING UP ON OCTOBER 1ST. WE HAVE MEET THE CANDIDATES AT THE LIBRARY. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO TO THAT. IT'S A GOOD WAY TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE RUNNING THIS NOVEMBER. THEN WE ALSO, AND I'M SURE BEN IS GOING TO AGREE WITH THIS ON OCTOBER 3RD. WHAT IS IT? GREATEST DAY OF THE YEAR? MAHWAH DAY. FEW CHANGES MADE. I THINK THEY'RE ALL FOR THE BETTER. IT'S. HOPEFULLY THE WEATHER WILL HOLD AND WE WON'T HAVE TO. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A RAIN DATE SO IT'S RAIN OR SHINE. AND COMING UP THIS COMING MONDAY IS PLANNING BOARD MEETING HAS BEEN CANCELED BECAUSE I GUESS WE'RE DOING SUCH AN EFFICIENT JOB.THANK YOU TO ALL OUR POLICE, FIRE, EMS, DPW WORKERS AND TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEERS. THANK YOU ALL. YOU DO A GREAT JOB AND THAT IS MY REPORT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
[REPORTS OF MAYOR and BUSINESS ADMINISTRATOR]
THIS WEEKEND. YES. OH, YEAH. MR. KUCZMARSKI SURE. ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MAYOR WYSOCKY, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO, BUT ESPECIALLY COMING UP ON NEXT WEEKEND, I WANT TO THANK MARY BETH AND ANDREA AND THE REC COMMITTEE FOR GOING OUT AND GOING TO BE PUTTING ON THE GREATEST MILE A DAY EVER.THANKFULLY, IT WASN'T THIS WEEKEND ALREADY. OH YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING. YEAH, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE OUT THERE IN THE PARADE AND ON THE FIELD. AND THEN FOR FIREWORKS AND BEER GARDEN AND ALL THE FUN. AND BON JOVI COVER BAND, BILLY JOEL COVER BAND. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT DAY. SO. I'M SORRY. IS IT RAIN OR SHINE? IT IS RAIN.
RAIN OR SHINE. YEP. ALREADY STATED. YEAH. SO AND THAT IS MY REPORT. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE UP TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC PORTION. MOTION OPEN THE PUBLIC SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. SEEING AS NO.
THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. I THINK THAT'S JUST FINE. OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE UP TO
[ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION]
OUR ORDINANCE. INTRODUCTION ORDINANCE 2104. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH COUNTY OF BERGEN STATE OF NEW JERSEY, REPEALING SECTION 2-30. PUBLIC CONTRACTING PAY TO PLAY REFORM OF THE TOWNSHIP CODE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE A YES, SUE, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT. THANK YOU.COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THIS IS BASICALLY JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ORDINANCE. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE STATE MADE CHANGES TO THE PAY TO PLAY LAW. PAY TO PLAY IS GOVERNED EXCLUSIVELY BY STATE LAW AT THIS POINT. BACK IN THE DAY, TOWNS COULD ADOPT THEIR OWN ORDINANCES, AND MAHWAH DID THAT. BUT DCA CAME OUT WITH GUIDANCE SAYING, YOU KNOW, TOWNS, BECAUSE THE STATUTE THAT AUTHORIZED TOWNS TO ADOPT ORDINANCES WAS REPEALED ITSELF, TOWNS NEED TO REPEAL ANY ORDINANCES THEY HAVE ON THE BOOKS. SO THAT IS WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS DOING. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO INTRODUCE ORDINANCE 2104.
SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. YES. MR. YES. YES. MR. MAY. YES. AND MR. IRVIN. YES. OKAY. NOW WE
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ARE UP TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ANYONE WISH TO VOTE ON SEPARATELY? YES. AND WHAT WOULD THAT BE. THAT WOULD BE. 307-26307-26. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. AND IF IF MR. FERGUSON WAS HERE WE WOULD DO THE LIQUOR LICENSE. YEAH WE WOULD ONE DAY. YEAH.[CONSENT AGENDA]
OKAY. MAY I GET A MOTION ON 304-26 THROUGH THREE OH? 6-26 AND 308-26 THROUGH 31126. SO MOVED. SECOND. I'LL GIVE IT TO. MISS RIMA. YES. MR. DONEGAN. YES. MR. ERVIN. YES. MR. MAY.YES. MRS. POTTS. YES. OKAY. NOW, MAY I GET A MOTION ON 307-26? SO MOVED. SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MISS RIMA? YES. MR. DUNNIGAN? NO. MR. ERVIN. YES. MR. MAY. YES. AND. MRS. YES.
[OLD BUSINESS]
OKAY. NOW WE ARE UP TO OLD BUSINESS. ANYONE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? YEAH. BEN, CAN YOU JUST GO OVER? YOU MENTIONED LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD SOME MOVEMENT ON SOMETHING. THE STYROFOAM COLLECTION. YEAH. I COMPLETELY BLANKED ON GETTING IT ON FOR THIS MEETING. ALL RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. THAT IS SOLELY ON. DID WE FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT A DUMPSTER? WE WILL. OKAY. AND HOW ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GOT MY FIRST PIECE OF STYROFOAM, LIKE, IN A BOTTLE. I KNOW IT REALLY DOESN'T COME ANYMORE, BUT. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE THE COUNTY FIBER? BECAUSE I KNOW I SEE KEEP SEEING MORE AND MORE TOWNS. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO PROBABLY FIRST HALF OF 27. OKAY.I'M ALL FOR. DON'T ASK YOU UNTIL THEN. WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CAN. BUT I LIKE I SAID I THE THE HOLDUP, NOT EVEN THE HOLDUP. JUST I DON'T WANT TO PILE ON TOO MUCH WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO DO A GIANT PROJECT FOR UPGRADING OUR MICROSOFT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT TO LITERALLY ROLL OUT ROLL OUT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. OKAY. WE'LL START THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY. THERE'LL BE MORE THAN EXCITED. AND THAT'S GOING TO WE'VE BEEN DOING THE ANALYSIS THAT'S GOING TO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY. YEAH. SO. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. OKAY. JANET. BEN. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DECLAN, DECLAN AND CELL SERVICE AND THE FERTILE AREA? WE HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM MONDAY, MONDAY OR TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK, AND I'LL HAVE AN UPDATE. OH. NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. GOOD. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. IT'S KIND OF OLD BUSINESS, BUT IT'S NOT ON HERE. BUT IT'S OLD BUSINESS. WELL WE'LL DECIDE. OKAY. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS? THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OLD BUSINESS. WELL, OKAY.
WELL, DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? IT'S BEING WORKED ON BY THE ORDINANCE COMMITTEE. WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH DARLENE. THE PROBLEM IS, NJMLUL DOES NOT HAVE A VERY CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT A DATA CENTER IS. SO DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW COULD BE CONSIDERED ANYTHING, STARTING AS A COMPUTER ROOM, WHICH WOULD MEAN THE TOWNSHIP MUNICIPAL BUILDING DOES IT. SO WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN WHAT WE DO SO THAT WE. NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T WANT TO GET SUED. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TWO LARGE DATA CENTERS OPERATING NOW WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP. SO WE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND. YEAH. WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ANY COMPANY AROUND HERE THAT HAS A COMPUTER ROOM AND SENDS DATA OUT, THAT'S A DATA CENTER. WELL, I MEAN, YOU COULD DO IT BY SIZE. YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE A MORATORIUM BY SIZE. BUT WE'RE ALSO WE'RE ALSO AS A HIGHLANDS TOWN, THE HIGHLANDS IS COMING OUT WITH GUIDANCE SOMETIME SOON. SO WE'VE BEEN TOLD. SO WE'RE WE'RE ALSO WAITING TO HEAR FROM THEM.
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN AFOUL OF THE HIGHLANDS. IF THEY PUT DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS IN THAN WE WOULD. SO IT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON. IT'S TOTALLY RIDICULOUS TO HAVE SUCH AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE. IT'S A ME TOO THING. WE'RE A COMMUNITY OF ALMOST 30,000 PEOPLE, AND ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION, AND IT'S RIDICULOUS. IT'S. THERE ARE SO MANY SAFEGUARDS IN THE WORLD TO PROTECT OUR WATER SYSTEM AND OUR ELECTRICAL GRID. THE REASON WHY OUR ORIGINAL DATA CENTER CAME TO MAHWAH IS BECAUSE OF OUR ABUNDANCE OF WATER AND OUR
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ABUNDANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR ELECTRICITY. WE'RE NOT A FARMING TOWN IN DAKOTA THAT HAS ONE LITTLE WELL, THAT'S SERVICING 200 PEOPLE AND A HALF ASS PART OF EXPRESSION ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. THIS IS NEW JERSEY. WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF ELECTRICITY BECAUSE THE FORD PLANT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE. I THINK EVERYONE AND WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF WATER BECAUSE THE FORD PLANT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. TO TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS THING AND SCARE BUSINESSES. AND THIS DATA CENTER THAT'S BEEN OPERATING IN HARMONY WITH OUR COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. YES. AND THE LARGEST TAXPAYER AND EXPANDING AND EXPANDING, MIND YOU. SO TO PATRONIZE ONE INDIVIDUAL IN THIS COMMUNITY IS A WASTE OF YOUR TIME. GEORGE. AND THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE COMMITTEE. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME AND ENTERTAIN THIS THING. IT'S A ME TOO SYNDROME. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. I HAD A CUSTOMER CALL. I HAD A RESIDENT CALL ME UP AND ASKED ME, WELL, MISTER, I THINK I VOICED THIS BEFORE TO SOMEBODY. THEY SAID, WELL, NOW THAT THAT 5000 GALLON DIESEL TANK LEAKED, DO YOU CHANGE YOUR OPINION? I SAID, WELL, GEE, A GASOLINE TANK LEAKS AT A GAS STATION.SHOULD WE BAN ALL GAS STATIONS IN THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH? THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT THAT HAS A HOME HEATING OIL TANK LEAKS. SHOULD WE BAN RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS BECAUSE IT POLLUTED IT? PEOPLE ARE SCRATCHING FOR THE SURFACE. THE REAL ISSUE IS HERE. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. RIGHT? WELL, YEAH. YEAH. WHO IS THE TOWNSHIP OF MAHWAH? TO MAKE IT OPINION ON A GLOBAL ISSUE LIKE THIS. THIS IS NOT OUR BUSINESS. LET'S BE A TOWN COUNCIL, RIGHT? LET'S GOVERN OUR RESIDENTS. AND TO GIVE THEM FALSE PROMISES AND SCARING AWAY OUR CORPORATE CITIZENS AND PENALIZING, POTENTIALLY PENALIZING AND PUT US IN LITIGATION. OR ONE PERSON THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION. BUT WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. YOU MIGHT BE TOO. BUT WAIT. BUT IF THERE'S A MORATORIUM THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE EXISTING DATA CENTER, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LANGUAGE. I HAVEN'T READ IT. IT'S NOT HERE YET. I MEAN, IT'S EXISTING. IT'S HERE. IT'S HERE. BUT THE DATA CENTER, THE STOCK EXCHANGE IS HERE. IT'S OPERATING. YOU CAN'T BAN IT. IT'S THERE. WELL, WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S A CONCERN OF THIS ONE CITIZEN AS WELL AS OTHERS. SO IN ITS ENTIRETY. EXCUSE ME, MR. DEEGAN. IN ITS ENTIRETY. IT'S NOT A WASTE OF TIME BECAUSE WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS SOME PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. WHETHER WE'LL BE SUCCESSFUL OR CONTINUE TO DO THAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED. WE HAVE TO DO OUR INVESTIGATION OF IT. I THINK PEOPLE ARE FREAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF ALL THESE MEGA AI CENTERS, WHICH ARE BETWEEN 80 AND AND 100MW THAT THEY'RE JUST AFRAID OF. THERE'S PLENTY OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, BUT A LOT OF ACTUAL STUPIDITY OUT THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S GOT TO BE ADDRESSED. AND WE'RE DOING SOME DUE DILIGENCE. WELL, WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. WE HAVE 140 ACRE SITE THAT THIS COUNCIL GAVE PERMISSION TO PUT A DATA CENTER ON. AND I DON'T AGREE WITH I DON'T THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. YEAH. YEAH YOU DO.
THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. IT IS. IT'S IN THE PERMITTED USES OF THAT SITE.
CORRECT. IT'S IN THE THEY HAVE NOT APPLIED TO DEVELOP A DATA CENTER. BUT BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS IN THE PERMITTED USES SITE THAT'S APPROVED FOR A DATA CENTER. THAT'S THE ONLY ZONE.
THE PROBLEM IS IT'S 140 ACRES. IT CAN SUPPORT A MEGA AI DATA CENTER. AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT THERE. AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS CAN GO OVER THERE. YEAH. WELL, YEAH. BUT BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE A MEGA AI DATA CENTER. THEY SEE A MALL. THEY WANT TO SEE A LOT OF THINGS OVER THERE. EXACTLY. NOW THEY GOT A PILE OF RUBBLE. WELL, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE RUBBLE EITHER. I DON'T LIKE THE RUBBLE EITHER. RUBBLE PILE.
YEAH. WELL, OKAY. SO. SO AGAIN, NOTHING. NOTHING'S HERE YET. SO WHEN IT DOES, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A VOTE. ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT ANY NEW BUSINESS? I STILL HAVE SOME. OH, SORRY. SORRY. SORRY. I KNOW I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN KIND OF QUIET TONIGHT, BUT ANYWAY, I KNOW. RIGHT. YOU'RE HIDING OVER THERE. I KNOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I'VE WON MORE SEATS, SO ACTUALLY, MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE BERGEN COUNTY FIBER SHARED SERVICE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. YEAH, THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD BE FOR MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES AND SUCH. CORRECT. LIKE MAYBE MAINLY THIS PROPERTY, THIS ONE, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, THE POLICE STATION WOULD BE INVOLVED. OKAY. BECAUSE SINCE YOU'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MR. O'SCANLON NEXT WEEK, THERE'S A RESIDENT THAT LIVES IN RIDGE GARDENS THAT WAS SAYING THEY GOT SOME SORT OF LETTER STATING THAT, YOU KNOW, COPPER LAND LINES WERE GOING AWAY. AND THAT'S. WOULD THAT HAVE WOULD THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MAYBE RESIDENTIAL. SO WHAT COULD THAT. SO AGAIN, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH WHATEVER THE PROVIDER IS DOING. THE PROVIDERS ARE GETTING RID OF
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COPPER. OKAY. BUT THEY COULD STILL HAVE SOME SORT OF COPPER. CORRECT. YEAH. SOME SORT OF WHAT LAND LINE. I BELIEVE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A LAND LINE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A TRADITIONAL POTS LINE, LIKE A COPPER LINE ANYMORE. RIGHT. AND IT WOULD REQUIRE BATTERY BACKUP.SO THAT WOULD WORK IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE. OKAY. SO THAT PERSON WOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP, LET'S SAY THEIR LANDLINE PHONE NUMBER. WOULDN'T YOU BE GIVING UP YOUR PHONE NUMBER? OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER. THE PHONE CABLE PROVIDER SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM TO GUIDE THEM THROUGH IT, BUT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO TO JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE OUR FILM READY, NEW JERSEY. I HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES IN THE POSITION OF THE TOWNSHIP? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. WITH REGARD TO CHANGING OUR ORDINANCE TO ORDINANCE. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM.
OKAY. THEY HAVE GONE COMPLETELY RADIO SILENT. OKAY. SO? SO NO WORD ON WHETHER THEY'RE WILLING TO MODIFY OR GIVE US THE FILM READY WITH OUR ORDINANCE AS IT EXISTS. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
NO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? I GUESS WE HAVE ONE MORE MOTION. NO NO NO NO NO NO NEW BUSINESS. NO NEW BUSINESS I HAVE YEAH, I HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO AND DAVE. OKAY.
GO AHEAD. BEN. THE VEHICLE AUDIT. YES. YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING INTO THE BUDGET BUDGET SEASON NOW. WE CERTAINLY ARE. THIS SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT TIME TO MAKE THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO DO THIS. WE ARE WE ARE HAVING A BUDGET MEETING DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING NEXT THURSDAY. IT WILL BE ADDRESSED, BUT ALSO WILL BE BROUGHT UP THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING TO BUY ANY MORE VEHICLES NEXT YEAR. THAT'S TRUE, IF NOT VERY FEW. YEAH. SO OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. IN THAT VEIN, I JUST WANT TO JUST ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET HEARING. INSTEAD OF BUYING A FORD EXPLORER FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE WILL LOOK AT A BRONCO SPORT BECAUSE IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER AND CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT. AND WE END UP BUYING THE EXPLORER ANYWAY. WE DID. WHY IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED. THEY USED THE THEY USED THE BUILDING TRUST FUND FOR IT.
SO IT WASN'T TAXPAYER DOLLARS. SO THOSE ARE THE I KNOW THOSE ARE THE VEHICLES THEY WANTED.
SO WHAT THE COUNCIL SAYS DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE TALKED ABOUT WE AGREED IT IN THE COUNCIL MEETING. LOOKING AT IT. YEAH. BUT DEFINITELY BUYING A SPECIFIC BRAND. NO. SO. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. MICHELLE WITH A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, BEN, WITH THE BUDGET HEARING, WHEN DO THE DEPARTMENTS NEED TO I MEAN, THE COMMITTEE'S 15TH. OKAY. DUE DATE FOR ALL BUDGET REQUESTS. OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL START COORDINATING DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT MEETINGS INDIVIDUALLY THROUGH THAT IN DECEMBER. AND WE'LL WRAP IT UP BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, AND HAVE A BUDGET PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL EARLY IN JANUARY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE MORE. JANET. I HAVE NEW. THIS MIGHT BE BEN. I HAVE HAD
[NEW BUSINESS]
NUMEROUS I MEAN, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AT THE SENIOR CENTER. AND THEY THEY A LOT OF A LOT OF SENIORS. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THEY LIKE TO COMPLAIN TO ME TO BRING THIS UP. SO ABOUT THE HANDICAPPED PARKING. THEY THERE'S MANY SENIORS THAT ARE SWEARING UP AND DOWN. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HANDICAPPED PARKING AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM, LIKE WHEN THEY GO TO LIKE THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK OR THEY HAVE TO PARK TOO FAR AND THEY WANT MORE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE SENIOR CENTER, AT THE SENIOR CENTER. YEAH, JUST THE SENIOR CENTER. MAYBE THAT WHOLE ROW. I THINK IT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE ROW. SO THERE'S SOME NORMAL SPOTS. YEAH. BUT YEAH, THAT THE PROBLEM IS, YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED IT. DISCUSS IT WITH MIKE AND ALI AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU COULD JUST BLUE STRIPE THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BEING SOMEONE WHO HAS A HANDICAPPED STICKER AND HAS TO USE THAT PARKING. SEE? YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT THAT INCONVENIENT DOWN HERE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO WHO ATTEND AND DO USE IT. EVERYONE IS RESPECTFUL, AND ONLY TIME I'VE SEEN ANYONE IN THOSE SPOTS, THEY HAVE TAGS, AND RARELY DO I SEE ANY OF THEM OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, UNLESS I'M ONE OF THEM. NO, NO, NO. THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH. WELL, EXACTLY. I'M SAYING THE NEED MAY YOU KNOW, THESE MAY BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE PLACARDS DON'T HAVE THE PLATES, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YOU KNOW, ONE THING AND HAVING IT AND BEING QUALIFIED FOR IT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. NO, I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE PLACARDS AND THEY CAN'T GET A SPACE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE THERE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. ALRIGHT, I PROMISE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW.ALL RIGHT. MOTION. MOTION. MR. REGAN. SIR. MOTION CLOSED. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. WE'RE NOW CLOSED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.